Acient City Na Mala Prespa (Samuel Era)

[Makedonetz]

I'm looking for some information on this area as my tatko used to tell us story's when he was little of an old ancient town in Mala prespa that he described as the "lost Atlantis" He said going fishing with his dad he could see old Crkva's the crosses sticking out of the water and later on when Greece took over they pilliaged and cleaned out all the artifacts. But my grandmother found old gold Liras with macedonian inscriptions on them and their still in our family generation from daughter to daughter.

Our country is so inriched and bestowed with culture we have just only scratched the surface. I cant seem to find any more information.

TrueMacedonian your a great hound in finding information on stuff like this you have any works in your archives?

Spolaj ti

[Soldier of Macedon]

But my grandmother found old gold Liras with macedonian inscriptions on them and their still in our family generation from daughter to daughter.

Makedonetz, are you able to produce any evidence with regard to these liras? A photo will suffice. Otherwise, a statement like that can be easily challenged by others.

[thessalo-niki]

Prespes

The only thing I can find in Greek (pages 1-21). This is about findings in the Prespes area within Greece, not Albania.

http://wwk.kathimerini.gr/kath/7days/1994/01/09011994.pdf

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Odysseas Elytis - Our name is our soul

[Soldier of Macedon]

Is that also from the island where Samuel's grave is located, St Achilles? Prespa might be divided between Macedonia, Greece and Albania today, but it is historically a Macedonian region.

[Rogi]

This thread has given me an idea.

How about a Sticky thread with 'Local Stories, Myths and Legends' where forum members can post the local stories, myths and legends that they've been told by their parents or grandparents, etc about their village or nearby villages.

I have a storyabout a village in Mariovo (Bitolsko), about an old (non-existent) name for a part of the town, an old (non existent) fortress, names of kings or local medieval leaders (none of which can be backed up with any written historical documentation as far as I am aware) and so on.

Though that's not to say there's no truth to it, given the first hand accounts of horses falling through the ground when the fields are being ploughed and the uncovering of ancient or medieval walls, etc (those holes only to be refilled with land, because it was needed to plant seeds and grow the crops) as well as the uncovering of numerous coins, and the sounds of water hitting on metal when it rains.

[Coastal]

Is that also from the island where Samuel's grave is located, St Achilles? Prespa might be divided between Macedonia, Greece and Albania today, but it is historically a Macedonian region.

In page 11 of the pdf there are photos of the bones of Samuel,and before that of his grave.
The text says the bones were covered with purple/golden cloth and his arm was wounded (by the battle of Spercheios,from Nikephoros Ouranos) .

[Makedonetz]

SoM yes St. Achilles, i will talk to my aunt soon in MK and ask her to get some pictures or find some as she has them in old photo albums.

Coastal my grandfather didn't even knew how to speak greek his regiment was all macedonians. One time a greek challenged him they called him vulgaros (in greek?) he slit the greeks throat he hated fascist greeks with a passion. RIP Dedo

[Coastal]

Coastal my grandfather didn't even knew how to speak greek his regiment was all macedonians. One time a greek challenged him they called him vulgaros (in greek?) he slit the greeks throat he hated fascist greeks with a passion. RIP Dedo

Was he fighting with the Democratic army?
Where do u come from ?

Terrible crimes and hate was the rule back then.
My grandfathers also took part in the civil war -One of both side.
My Great grandfather was murdered by a Bulgarian gang.

We all should be critical to the past.

[julie]

coastal, we have all lost family in those dreadful times.
What a wonderful world it would be if we could all exist in harmony and with basic human rights, it would be utopia

[Makedonetz]

my grandfather fought greeks, italians and the germans. He was in the Bitola-Prespa partisan detachment Dame Gruev.The third group of the Dame Gruev detachment mobilized men from the ethnic Macedonian villages in Mala Prespa and succeeded in liberating territory in Mala Prespa and part of Greek Prespa. This was the first territory liberated by Macedonian partisans during the war. My tatko's 1st cousin still alive living in Bitola his troop liberated Kocani and held it as a stronghold for 40 days fending off oncoming greek pressure. They fought till all of their ammunition was gone due to Tito shutting the borders down. He would say the hills smelled of rotting greek corpses they could of built a wall they did not want to loose either Sloboda Ili Smrt. They had to leave during the night slip through Albania to get back to their HQ somewhere in Macedonia.

[Coastal]

my grandfather fought greeks, italians and the germans. He was in the Bitola-Prespa partisan detachment Dame Gruev.The third group of the Dame Gruev detachment mobilized men from the ethnic Macedonian villages in Mala Prespa and succeeded in liberating territory in Mala Prespa and part of Greek Prespa. This was the first territory liberated by Macedonian partisans during the war. My tatko's 1st cousin still alive living in Bitola his troop liberated Kocani and held it as a stronghold for 40 days fending off oncoming greek pressure. They fought till all of their ammunition was gone due to Tito shutting the borders down. They had to leave during the night slip through Albania to get back to their HQ somewhere in Macedonia.

Didnt know that Partizans reached so far south.
By Kocani you mean the town of Kozani? As far as i know threr werent any Macedonian inhabitants in the town-maybe some villages in the North (Ptolemaida/Kailar region)

[Makedonetz]

Majority were Gerkomani

[Coastal]

Majority were Gerkomani

For the town of Kozani, Kanchov -who is Bulgarian and anti-Greek- gives the number of total 6.100 in 1910.

Of these 3.000 were Turks ,2.800 Greeks and 300 Vlachs.
No Slavic speaking population at all.
After 1923 Greek refugees also came.

(we re off topic..u could open a thread abt wwii maybe..or abt the Grandfathers of all )

[Serdarot]

Coastal, you know those censuses are NOT based on ethnicity?

@ Rogi:

pls contact me / write more about the legend you mentioned

[thessalo-niki]

Kocani?

my grandfather fought greeks, italians and the germans. He was in the Bitola-Prespa partisan detachment Dame Gruev.The third group of the Dame Gruev detachment mobilized men from the ethnic Macedonian villages in Mala Prespa and succeeded in liberating territory in Mala Prespa and part of Greek Prespa. This was the first territory liberated by Macedonian partisans during the war. My tatko's 1st cousin still alive living in Bitola his troop liberated Kocani and held it as a stronghold for 40 days fending off oncoming greek pressure. They fought till all of their ammunition was gone due to Tito shutting the borders down. He would say the hills smelled of rotting greek corpses they could of built a wall they did not want to loose either Sloboda Ili Smrt. They had to leave during the night slip through Albania to get back to their HQ somewhere in Macedonia.

My God, lets hope Greek communists do not read that.
Makedonetz,
(based also in another thread) you seem interested, yet confused about Civil War. When you say Kocani, what do you mean? It cannot be Kozani. Which village is it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_civil_war

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Odysseas Elytis - Our name is our soul