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  • Liberator of Makedonija
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2014
    • 1597

    Originally posted by VMRO View Post
    Macedonian media turns a blind eye to this another justification for my argument that journalists in Macedonia are useless twats.

    The players who are ethnic Albanians in the team have to contend with constant criticism why they chose to play for Macedonia.

    Imagine the abuse they would get if they actually sang the anthem (Alioski in the video looked like he wanted to join in).

    This is the problem where Albanian nationalists in Macedonia over the last 30+ years have instilled an attitude to not recognise Macedonian symbols and the anthem.

    The problem should be treated at the root cause and this is Albanian politicians, so called Academics and other structures who for the last 30 years have normalised this behavior. (Macedonian politicians/Journalists etc are also to blame for turning a blind eye to this and not calling it out).
    Agreed, always felt the biggest issue for Macedonian Albanians was their political representaiton, e.g. there are no moderate or compromising parties for Albanians, all their parties are run by radicals who desire nothing short of federalisation and future secession. And the majority of the Macedonian political representation are run by weak-willed fools who are all to happy to bend to these outrageous demands.
    I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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    • Soldier of Macedon
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 13675

      Originally posted by Phoenix View Post
      Recent achievements in basketball, handball and now football in major European competitions has sparked passions but it always seems to be fleeting without taking real root in the psyche of our people.
      Wasted opportunities. Barring some miracle, another one currently in the process of being wasted. Right now, the world is watching Macedonia. What better opportunity to make a stand? But do we really expect players who were hugging Zaev upon departure to take the lead? Are we expecting positive action from spectators who wave enough northadonian ventilators to provide air conditioning for the whole arena? Like you point out, the passion is temporary (and misguided) and will not be capitalised. It will soon fade, then back to the kafana and complaining about life. I can only hope they prove such a negative statement wrong.
      ...the only hope is for a bottom up movement orchestrated by the people...or as the Americans like to say..."we the people..."
      Given the so-called "leaders" in that country over the past 30 years, that seems to be the only way.
      Originally posted by VMRO View Post
      The players who are ethnic Albanians in the team have to contend with constant criticism why they chose to play for Macedonia. Imagine the abuse they would get if they actually sang the anthem (Alioski in the video looked like he wanted to join in).
      They knew that from the moment they signed up. No point in going halfway. If they're committed to the team then they should be committed to the country and its anthem. If they're not, then they should sit on the bench for the Albanian team or jeer at the Macedonian anthem along with their counterparts in Skadar.
      This is the problem where Albanian nationalists in Macedonia over the last 30+ years have instilled an attitude to not recognise Macedonian symbols and the anthem.
      The anthem appropriately recalls a period in history where notable revolutionaries led the struggle for a free and independent Macedonia. Most of them happened to be Macedonians and Vlachs. The notable Albanian leaders from that same period were against this cause. That is the reality, but it doesn't mean today's Albanians in Macedonia should despise the anthem. The cause of the abovementioned revolutionaries wasn't against the Albanians or Turks in general, it was against those elements who provided support to the oppressive Ottoman authorities. Even Elmas, one of the younger members of that squad, seems to understand this. The Macedonian Revolutionary Organisation often made overtures to peoples of all backgrounds and religions during their struggle against the Ottoman Empire. To suggest the anthem is anti-Albanian, anti-Turkish or whatever is disingenuous. The real gripe is the fact that the anthem is one of the few symbols left in the country that their nationalistic politicians and supporters haven't been able to penetrate in their quest of creating a bi-national quasi-state. They don't respect Macedonia.
      In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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      • Soldier of Macedon
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 13675

        Unfortunately, Macedonia lost again, but it was closer this time. They had some real chances to level the score. From here on, the possibility of progress in this tournament beyond the next game is almost non-existent. Perhaps they will have a decent showing against the Dutch. The rest is standard. Zaev referring to "North Macedonia" on social media regarding his tango with the Bulgars but avoiding the term altogether in messages regarding the Macedonian team at the Euros, because the idiot thinks he's so clever that nobody will notice the hypocrisy or the manipulative charade he is presenting before the people. None of the Albanians in the Macedonian team sang the anthem (again). Disrespecting the country they play for must be some type of trend, because the Albanians (and some others) in the Swiss team don't seem to be too keen about singing the Swiss anthem either. Pathetic.


        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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        • Liberator of Makedonija
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2014
          • 1597

          Was a very entertaining game, unlucky not to draw. The Optus Sport stream also cut to scenes from the Geelong [Macedonia] Soccer Club in Australia, great to see no ventilators there and the Macedonians together singing 'Biser Balkanski' for everyone to see
          I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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          • Carlin
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2011
            • 3332

            A couple of days ago, UEFA openly ruled against Greek complaints stating that acronym MKD (or even FFM) is in accordance with the Prespa agreement and no further action will be taken. UEFA said that they don't want to get involved into politics, and besides, they refer to the country officially, as North Macedonia (and Football Federation of North Macedonia). Zaev gave the following statement, which is now being reported, 'willingly' contradicting UEFA:

            Заев за АНА-МПА и ЕРТ: Прашањето со ФФМ ќе се реши врз основа на Договорот од Преспа и правилата на УЕФА

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            Атина, 18 јуни 2021 (МИА)Веќе го покренавме конкретниот аспект со Федерацијата и во наредниот период ќе го решиме прашањето врз основа на Договорот од Преспа и правилата и традицијата на УЕФА, вели премиерот на Република Северна Македонија Зоран Заев во писмената изјава за грчката новинска агенција АНА-МПА и грчката државна телевизија ЕРТ, јави дописничката на МИА од Атина.

            Изјавата на премиерот Заев е по реакциите во Грција за амблемот на ФФМ на дресовите на нашите репрезентативци.

            -Цела Европа знае дека нашата фудбалска репрезентација на првенството ја претставува Северна Македонија. Дури и Федерацијата да не е јавен ентитет, националниот тим е. Како што е во сите земји во светот. Па така, јасно е и треба да биде јасно на сите нивоа дека е репрезентација на Северна Македонија, ирелевантно од иницијалите на Федерацијата на дресовите. Веќе го покренавме конкретниот аспект со Федерацијата и во наредниот период ќе го решиме прашањето врз основа на Договорот од Преспа и правилата и традицијата на УЕФА, вели премиерот Заев.

            Претседателот на Владата на Северна Македонија во изјавата додава дека „имплементацијата на Договорот од Преспа е работа во тек и нашата цел е постепено да најдеме решенија со соседите кои го спроведуваат Договорот и да нč придвижат напред врз основа на соработката и взаемното почитување“.


            The story in english, from republika.

            Zaev assures Greece that the Macedonian football team represents “North Macedonia"

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            Zoran Zaev assured Greece that the Macedonian national football team playing at the European championship represents “North Macedonia” and not...


            Zoran Zaev assured Greece that the Macedonian national football team playing at the European championship represents “North Macedonia” and not Macedonia. Greek press pressed Zaev on the issue after Greece formally protested the fact that the Football Federation of Macedonia hasn’t changed its name and used the FFM abbreviation in the official team jerseys.

            The whole of Europe knows that our football team represents “North Macedonia”. Even if the Federation is not a public entity, the national team is. It should be clear to all that this is the team of “North Macedonia”, regardless of the initials on the jersey. We raised the specific issue with the Federation and we will resolve it soon in accordance with the Prespa Treaty and UEFA traditions, Zaev promised.

            He is in a long standing feud with FFM head Muamed Sejdini, who protested to the UEFA that Zaev is trying to replace him and seize the financial resources of the Federation. Sejdini said, and the Macedonian Foreign Ministry initially agreed, that because FFM does not take in public funds, it is not under obligation to use the imposed name “North Macedonia”.
            Last edited by Carlin; 06-18-2021, 07:38 AM.

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            • Risto the Great
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 15659

              Originally posted by Carlin View Post

              Zoran Zaev assured Greece that the Macedonian national football team playing at the European championship represents “North Macedonia” and not Macedonia.
              So where's the Macedonian team then?
              Risto the Great
              MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
              "Holding my breath for the revolution."

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              • Soldier of Macedon
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 13675

                Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
                So where's the Macedonian team then?
                B.T. Connor Reserve.
                In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                • Soldier of Macedon
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 13675

                  English translation of below article.
                  https://derbi.mk/poraneshniot-golem-...LcgJTrlmrUd4W4

                  Jasir Asani as a product of the football school of Vardar was considered one of the greatest talents in our country and passed all youth categories in the national team of Macedonia, but when it came time to choose, he gave preference to Albania. The former Vardar player chose Albania after receiving a call from the youth team from this country while he was still playing in Vardar, but a few years later, he is ready to change his decision if he receives a call from Macedonia. The Macedonian national football team is making historic progress in every sense and that makes the national jersey of our country more attractive for players, especially for those who in the past decided to choose another team. Such is the case with Asani, who now in a conversation for the show "Euro Dribbling" admits that he would accept a call from Macedonia with open arms.

                  - I was really young while playing for Macedonia, and then came the invitation from Albania. Like every Albanian, I was excited about it and accepted the offer, every Albanian wants to play for the Albanian national team. However, now I will wait for a call from Macedonia and I will respect the offer if I receive such a thing. My family's wish is to be in Albania, but if the call from Macedonia comes first, I will think about it. "I have been in Partizani for four years now and the people from the Albanian Federation are not very friendly towards me, nobody looked at me," said Asani.
                  What a misleading article. It suggests that the success of the Macedonian national team is what is attractive to players like Asani when the latter himself states that he wants to play for Albania but he isn't getting attention from the Albanian football federation. Another reject from the Albanian team who wants exposure in international tournaments. Now he will consider playing for Macedonia. No thanks. There are enough mutes in the team who don't sing the anthem.
                  In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                  • Soldier of Macedon
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 13675

                    So, Macedonia was soundly beaten by the Dutch in their last game and so ends their time in Euro 2020. The first half of the game was probably one of the better periods of play that Macedonia had in the whole tournament. But it all fell over in the second half. For what it's worth, it was a decent effort and should be treated as a learning experience for future tournaments. No point in mentioning it (nor was it a surprise), but everybody aside from the Albanians in the team sang the anthem. The leader of the northadonians also made an appearance. Recall what he said a few days ago:
                    The whole of Europe knows that our football team represents “North Macedonia”. Even if the Federation is not a public entity, the national team is. It should be clear to all that this is the team of “North Macedonia”, regardless of the initials on the jersey. We raised the specific issue with the Federation and we will resolve it soon in accordance with the Prespa Treaty and UEFA traditions, Zaev promised.
                    But here is what the traitor was posting on social media. Not a "severna" or "north" in sight. He is one of the most duplicitous and despicable people that Macedonia has ever produced. The fact that his doublespeak and fake "patriotism" isn't called out by anybody in the media is disgraceful. It is clear to anybody with common sense that he is riding the wave of Euro 2020. Once the tournament is over and the "passion" of the population has receded, he will proceed with his political destruction of Macedonian heritage. Much of the damage has already been done, all he needs is time to fully implement his northadonian vision for Macedonia.

                    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                    • Soldier of Macedon
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 13675

                      Here is a clip from Optus Sport, where the Croat-Australian David Davutovic visited with the Macedonians in Melbourne prior to the match. Good on David for respecting Macedonians during his reporting and not being a corporate tool like some of the other hosts.
                      https://www.mkd.mk/sport/fudbal/make...20EWaAZx7iMwKs

                      Македонците во Австралија со пиво, ракија, шопска, ќебапи, Струмка... ќе ја бодрат Македонија (ВИДЕО). Спортскиот канал во Австралија, „Опус Спорт“, денеска во живо направи прилог за македонските навивачи во Мелбурн кои организирано во ресторан ќе го гледаат мечот против Холаандија.
                      In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                      • Liberator of Makedonija
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2014
                        • 1597

                        Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                        B.T. Connor Reserve.
                        Precisely right
                        I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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                        • Momce Makedonce
                          Member
                          • Jul 2012
                          • 562

                          Was great to see Optus Sport focus on the Macedonian community during the Euros.

                          Here was a few more clips from the game with Ukraine where David Davutovic visited Geelong Soccer Club, a Macedonian club established in 1958.





                          Optus Sport's David Davutovic watched the Ukraine v North Macedonia game with Melbourne's Macedonian community..’ !UEFA EURO...
                          "The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task." Goce Delcev

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                          • Carlin
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2011
                            • 3332

                            Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
                            So where's the Macedonian team then?
                            It was a 'mistake' in the first place.

                            Vice President of SDSM Zaev has openly stated that his political party is prepared to change our name and that their stance is quite clear. What a disgrace :mad: :mad: Заев: За СДСМ е прифатливо

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                            • Soldier of Macedon
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 13675

                              The round of 16 has had some unexpected surprises. The frogs are out, courtesy of a Swiss team in which players of Balkan heritage dominated. All of the French analysts and supporters had a pretentious attitude going into the match, as if they were entitled to win. They should probably be thankful they didn't, as the last time they won a major trophy the people in Paris 'celebrated' by rioting and looting. The Czechs knocked out the Dutch. The German coach was busy feeding from his nose whilst the English took the victory. Croatia did well to come back against Spain but lost in the end, they were never really in form during the tournament. And Ukraine beat Sweden to go on. Ukraine aren't even in the top 20 according to FIFA rankings, but they are experiencing a surge of patriotism in response to challenging times in their country, which can often help a team rise above its station. A similar situation with the Croats in 98. Macedonia, on the other hand, which is politically besieged from all sides, can't even get half of its players to sing the national anthem let alone respond by adequately channeling patriotism into their mentality.
                              In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                              • Liberator of Makedonija
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2014
                                • 1597

                                Director of Youth and Sport, Naumče Mojsovski threatens FFM with budget cuts if it does not change its name to reflect the Prespa Agreement: the two options suggested by the government were the "Football Federation of North Macedonia" and the "Football National Federation".

                                - Taken from Avstralisko Makedonski Nedelnik, p. 26
                                I know of two tragic histories in the world- that of Ireland, and that of Macedonia. Both of them have been deprived and tormented.

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