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Originally posted by Niko777 View PostAnd even if there were Greek versions, what gives them the right to modify records and change the names of our ancestors?
How can we rely on these records (as poor naive Poligiros suggests we should) when researching our ancestors and their ethnic identity?
In addition, George who didnt' believe the records that I was referring to, when Niko just posted an example from another village with the same field format. George, I will enquire about the upkeep of the outer leather bindings of births, deaths and marriage records next time I go to my village.
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Originally posted by Niko777 View PostAlthough not as numerous, I still see remnants of Macedonian names such as Stogianni (Macedonian: Stojan) and Giankoulos (Jankulo) as well as original Macedonian village names (the name Agios Prodromos is from 1927, before that the village was known in Greek as "Resetnikia" which comes from the Macedonian Reshetnik).
Can you inform me about my village of Polygyros?
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Originally posted by Poligiros View PostAgios Prodromos is a surrounding village to Polygyros. I was aware of all the towns having Turkish place names, you are now telling me that it had a Macedonian sounding name previously? Were there Macedonian speakers located in that village?
Can you inform me about my village of Polygyros?
I already pointed out some Macedonian personal names from the link posted by Amphipolis. Other villages with Macedonian names on Halkidiki were Toplik (Ieroplatanos), Novoselo (Neohori), Izvor (Stratoniki), Lukovo (Taxiharis), Lerigovo (Arnaia), Revenik (Megali Panagia) etc. These are Macedonian words, not Turkish. You weren't "aware" before?? Well now you are.
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Originally posted by Poligiros View PostI read Greek quite proficiently. Apart from changing names by adding "is" "os" suffix, the main point the I picked up was the village name "mpouf" that sounds foreign to me.
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Originally posted by Niko777 View PostPerhaps there were Macedonian speakers many centuries ago. Last traces of the Macedonian language on Halkidiki was recorded by a traveler from Ohrid going to Mount Athos for a pilgrimage in the year 1850. He heard some peasants who were working in a field singing a song in a Slavic language. When he stopped to ask them they replied that this was a song from their ancestors and that they no longer speak the language, nor understood what the song was saying.
I already pointed out some Macedonian personal names from the link posted by Amphipolis. Other villages with Macedonian names on Halkidiki were Toplik (Ieroplatanos), Novoselo (Neohori), Izvor (Stratoniki), Lukovo (Taxiharis), Lerigovo (Arnaia), Revenik (Megali Panagia) etc. These are Macedonian words, not Turkish. You weren't "aware" before?? Well now you are.
"The controversy surrounding a Greek minority within the Republic of Macedonia stems from the statistical treatment of Aromanian (Vlach) population groups, who in their majority have historically identified themselves as Greeks as part of the Rum millet.A large number of Greek-identifying Vlachs left the region after the Balkan Wars, with Florina in Greece witnessing the arrival of a large Greek-speaking commercial population from Monastiri (Bitola).Ethnologue however cites Greek as an "immigrant language" in the Republic of Macedonia.[15]
Representatives of Aromanian Associations of Bitola, Krusevo and Gevgelija take place in the Panhellenic Reunion of Aromanians every year and representatives of Sarakatsani Association of Skopje take place in the Panhellenic Congress of Sarakatsani, every two years
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Originally posted by Niko777 View PostI still think the names were modified. Either they were modified back then when they were recorded, or they were modified today when someone entered them in a computer. Names like Stoitsos never existed, the person's name was always Stoicho. Therefore we have to consider this when we read the other names like Giorgos, Petros, etc.
The guy has written 2 or 3 similar studies, including Names and Toponyms as Proofs of Slavic Settlements in Eastern Chalkidike, etc . This is the only one I could find on line and refers to the area of Pagaeon and the era 600-1200 AD (I think). It includes name lists of "parikos" (foreign farm workers) from monastery documents etc.
Originally posted by Niko777 View PostI have Turkish documents from Aegean Macedonia. The Turks recorded Macedonian names exactly as how they sounded like. They didn't change people's names or add a suffix to them as the Greeks did.
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Originally posted by Poligiros View PostMy family are aware of "some" Bulgarian families that resided in surrounding villages in the 1800s. Now, I am not being rude but I don't know why you would claim these self-identifying Bulgarians from the 1800s as Macedonian?
They were limited in numbers. In addition, I believe they were extradited back to Bulgaria in the early 1900s during the wars.Last edited by Niko777; 10-06-2015, 06:29 PM.
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Originally posted by Amphipolis View PostNope, read this to see how Slavic (or Sthlavic) names are written in Greek (or Hellenized in your opinion) during 1000-1200 AD.
The guy has written 2 or 3 similar studies, including Names and Toponyms as Proofs of Slavic Settlements in Eastern Chalkidike, etc .
Nope, there’s a thread where we tried to know more about the Macedonian politicians elected in the first and last attempt of Ottoman State for a Parliament in 1910. A man with a name like Ioannis Asimakopoulos would probably appear as Yianni Efenti etc. It seemed that Turks called every prominent person Efenti (Boss)Last edited by Niko777; 10-06-2015, 06:29 PM.
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Originally posted by Niko777 View Post1000-1200AD was a different period, thats not how Greeks were writing Macedonian names by the late 19th century.
Stanilas, Tzyrilos (which reveals how Slavs pronounced Cyril), Stlavotas, Sthlankos, Nesnastros, Dovrotas, Dragnitza (Δραγνίτζα), Nedanos (Νεδάνος), Verhovlavos and many many more in the document.
Originally posted by Niko777 View PostYes but now you're talking about someone who was a politician and held a title. From what I've seen, average Macedonian peasants who's names were recorded on tax documents and transaction documents were just recorded by their first name followed by the first name of their father.
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Originally posted by Niko777 View PostExtradited "back" to Bulgaria??? What are you trying to imply, that we came from Bulgaria???
Originally posted by Niko777 View PostFirst of all I doubt anyone from Halkidiki were sent to Bulgaria because the Bulgarian exarchate never established itself there. My guess is Macedonians on Halkidiki were already assimilated by the 1900s.
===Last edited by Amphipolis; 10-06-2015, 09:22 PM.
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Originally posted by Amphipolis View Post
Macedonians of Chalcidice were assimilated to what?
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Originally posted by PoligirosI need clarification here. You mention (above) forced Hellenization of anything "Slav" in Aegean Macedonian villages e.g. writing. I get threatened with a ban for mentioning "Slav" in quotes, as an example in context.
The crux on this forum is that most of you are fiercely proud of your "slavonic" alphabet, language, place names....
....there are millions of Hellenic people of Aegean Macedonia who speak a modern Hellenic dialect......
.....have been there for generations and don't feel an affinity to "Slavonic".
I see on your greater Macedonia maps, a "slavonic" place name for my village. How did that come about?
The posters misunderstood my "pure Hellene" context. What I was stating was that the "Russo-Pontian" people were mainly Russian, had a Greek ancestor or 2 down the line and within 10 years became very assimilated into "pure Hellenes" that fit in well.
My family are aware of "some" Bulgarian families that resided in surrounding villages in the 1800s. Now, I am not being rude but I don't know why you would claim these self-identifying Bulgarians from the 1800s as Macedonian?
You will find there are similar numbers of Hellenes in Bulgaria and Republic of Macedonia.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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