The best interpretation is to let the bible interpret itself because thats god spsaking.
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"Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
GOTSE DELCEV
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Spitfire the baptism isnt the thing that will save you.its gods grace.by jesus chrisy are you daved yhere is no other name either in hesven or under heaven.
So what it boils down is god has a big future for man and y
There is hope. Of faith in god."Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
GOTSE DELCEV
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Originally posted by makedonche View PostRisto the Great
I can't see how anything other than my interpretation can be used to define my interpretation!
Otherwise, your faith could comprise of all sorts of things like what the stari babi do with maslo and the evil eye etc.
Anyway, rest assured I have no desire to banish you to hell for your thoughts or interpretations.Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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Originally posted by George S. View PostSpitfire the baptism isnt the thing that will save you.its gods grace.by jesus chrisy are you daved yhere is no other name either in hesven or under heaven.
So what it boils down is god has a big future for man and y
There is hope. Of faith in god.
Orthodox:
Salvation is "faith working through love" and should be seen as a life long process. The Ultimate aim of every Orthodox Christian is to obtain Theosis or union with God. This is done through living a holy life and seeking to draw closer to God.
Catholic:
Salvation is by grace, specifically sanctifying grace, which is given initially through Baptismal regeneration and then maintained through the Sacraments, which are 'channels of grace'.
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Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostI honestly am not so sure.
The bit about later texts taking precedence over earlier texts in the Koran makes it a more aggressive religion in my limited mind.
To me it's all about how it suited the people in time. I think it makes more sense to the arabs when they read about the dessert in the Quran, palm trees etc. It also makes a lot of sense for the people living there, the system that the Quran suggests.
Let's not forget that Islam (which means religion of the one and only God) is also a political-economic-society-system. It's very clear in the Quran and to the muslims (this means the faithful who believe in the one and only God).
In this sense, it's all a matter of application, and how it suits certain needs in societies.
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Originally posted by Risto the Great View Posthaha, I see where you are coming from. But, if you are a Christian, I would think you would ultimately have to believe the Bible as your only source of proof as it relates to your faith.
Otherwise, your faith could comprise of all sorts of things like what the stari babi do with maslo and the evil eye etc.
Anyway, rest assured I have no desire to banish you to hell for your thoughts or interpretations.
Ok, so which version of the Bible should I use as my source to interpret the Trinity from?On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"
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Originally posted by makedonche View PostRTG
Ok, so which version of the Bible should I use as my source to interpret the Trinity from?
The Trinity (and the Bible as a whole) is not something you can approach lightheartedly. The Trinity is a very complex subject. In its most elemental form, however, the Old and New Testaments teach a plurality of persons in one Godhead. The Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are three separate persons, but One in Being.
You should the read article Vangelovski submitted in this thread explaining the Trinity as a start. But please do not end there. Your only source for accuracy and truth on this subject is the Bible, not in articles published on the World Wide Web.
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Originally posted by makedonche View PostRTG
Ok, so which version of the Bible should I use as my source to interpret the Trinity from?
How the hell would I know?
Having said that, I believe that being a modern Christian means the Trinity is embraced. Modern Christians believe all of the bibles should be interpreted this way.
Why so hard to accept? I believe a whole slab of Europe believed in "Triglav" before the Christian God.
Triglav is a Slavic god with three heads which are said to be looking in all directions, so that he can see anyone coming from any direction. He is also known to be
Are you saying you don't believe Jesus is God or that you don't believe in the Holy Spirit? Which bit aren't you buying?Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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Originally posted by spitfire View PostIt could be like this, but when you think of later texts such as the new testament over the old, this does not apply. The new testament is way more "moral" sort of speak.
Originally posted by spitfire View PostTo me it's all about how it suited the people in time. I think it makes more sense to the arabs when they read about the dessert in the Quran, palm trees etc. It also makes a lot of sense for the people living there, the system that the Quran suggests.
Let's not forget that Islam (which means religion of the one and only God) is also a political-economic-society-system. It's very clear in the Quran and to the muslims (this means the faithful who believe in the one and only God).
In this sense, it's all a matter of application, and how it suits certain needs in societies.Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostI think you might have me confused with Fr Vangelovski.
How the hell would I know?
Having said that, I believe that being a modern Christian means the Trinity is embraced. Modern Christians believe all of the bibles should be interpreted this way.
Why so hard to accept? I believe a whole slab of Europe believed in "Triglav" before the Christian God.
Triglav is a Slavic god with three heads which are said to be looking in all directions, so that he can see anyone coming from any direction. He is also known to be
Are you saying you don't believe Jesus is God or that you don't believe in the Holy Spirit? Which bit aren't you buying?
I am not saying any of those things, I merely said in the initial post that I was brought up to understand that Jesus was the son of God, therefore as such he couldn't be God himself, and there are different views and interpretations of this. Furthermore if the Bible is the only source, then why are there so many versions of the Bible? Which one do you believe? Who's interpretation is valid and who's isn't?On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"
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Originally posted by Philosopher View PostIf you are serious in this endeavor, then you should approach the subject with a little more gravity and sincerity. Otherwise, you are wasting your time.
The Trinity (and the Bible as a whole) is not something you can approach lightheartedly. The Trinity is a very complex subject. In its most elemental form, however, the Old and New Testaments teach a plurality of persons in one Godhead. The Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are three separate persons, but One in Being.
You should the read article Vangelovski submitted in this thread explaining the Trinity as a start. But please do not end there. Your only source for accuracy and truth on this subject is the Bible, not in articles published on the World Wide Web.
I have approached the subject with sincerity and gravity and not lightheartedly as you imply.
The Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are three separate persons, but One in Being.On Delchev's sarcophagus you can read the following inscription: "We swear the future generations to bury these sacred bones in the capital of Independent Macedonia. August 1923 Illinden"
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Originally posted by makedonche View PostRTG
I am not saying any of those things, I merely said in the initial post that I was brought up to understand that Jesus was the son of God, therefore as such he couldn't be God himself, and there are different views and interpretations of this. Furthermore if the Bible is the only source, then why are there so many versions of the Bible? Which one do you believe? Who's interpretation is valid and who's isn't?
The muslims seem to agree with your line of inquiry though:
This Islamic guide is for non-Muslims to help them better understand Islam, Muslims, and the Quran (Koran). This page is on: The Bible Denies the Divinity of Jesus
My genuine question on this matter to Christians is the issue about Jesus on the cross. Modern Christian thought insists on the dual nature of Jesus (both human and God). That this dual nature or "Hypostatic union" always ensured Jesus was both fully God and fully human. Rest assured, it confuses the shit out of me. Jesus asked "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" How can you be fully God and say that?
If I was fully God ... I would be saying, "yeah, ok .... I am supposed to say this hurts". Who can hurt God? In other words, the greatest sacrifice (for all humanity) that we are told about, is difficult to comprehend when Jesus just flew away upon his resurrection. Not unlike a pretty cool video game when you know you will re-spawn. It definitely does my head in, but am not going to say others are crazy for believing what they believe about it.
The answers usually talk about the "mystery of our faith". So .... let us together proclaim the mystery of faithRisto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostEvery Christian I know suggests the New Testament is the key and they tend to diminish some of the more "bizarre" stories in the Old Testament. So, in a sense, newer takes precedence over old again here. The difference being Newer appears to be more loving (supposedly). Whereas from what I've read about Islam, the earlier texts talk of love and later ones talk of how to deal with the infidels or whatever in less than savoury ways.
There is a misunderstanding though about the infidels. In Mohammed's times the lesser jihad was happening, holy wars etc. From a point on the greater jihad was suppossed to be happening, which means now that everything is settled the muslims should fight within themself. They should conquer their soul.
This is avoided being talked about by the fundamentalist muslims. On purpose!
Originally posted by Risto the Great View Postam still waiting for the NEWEST TESTAMENT where Jesus sends a Snapchat video to his 12 buddies and updates his Facebook profile to "resurrected".
Well, it was a good trick to differentiate from any other prophet. How do we make Jesus different from all those thousands of men that talked about the same thing at those times? We make him a God without inflicting on God's image.
Very clever indeed.
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No comparison of jesus and mohamed.jesus is god.
The other thing mohamed is a person a human being.jesus was converted from man to god.that is our future."Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
GOTSE DELCEV
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