The Venezuelan Diaspora

[Risto the Great]

I (strangely) have a disproportionate number of Venezuelan clients in my firm. I really like these people and find we can communicate on many levels.

It gave me great joy to hear that literally hundreds of Venezuelans flew from Adelaide to Canberra in order to vote out Chavez from government in the recent elections.

These are passionate people who really care about the homeland.

I think Macedonians could learn a few things from these people.

[makedonche]

I think Macedonians are incapable of learning anything whilst they still have a slave mentality....Deltchev was so right.

[Risto the Great]

By the way, they didn't succeed in voting out Chavez. Absolutely crushing stuff for them.

[Vangelovski]

By the way, they didn't succeed in voting out Chavez. Absolutely crushing stuff for them.

At least the proletariat will continue to control the means of production, do nothing with it and sink not only their own potential for wealth creation, but destroy the actual wealth of the evil bourgeoisie. Only then will everyone be equally impovrished...or something like that. Viva la Revolucion!

[EgejskaMakedonia]

At least the proletariat will continue to control the means of production, do nothing with it and sink not only their own potential for wealth creation, but destroy the actual wealth of the evil bourgeoisie. Only then will everyone be equally impovrished...or something like that. Viva la Revolucion!

Today's Macedonians could probably learn a thing or two from recent revolutions in Latin American nations. At least they stand up for themselves and don't bow down to 'greater' powers.

[Vangelovski]

Today's Macedonians could probably learn a thing or two from recent revolutions in Latin American nations. At least they stand up for themselves and don't bow down to 'greater' powers.

Its those types of "revolutions" that led them to become the what they are today. Totalitarian/authoritarian forms of governance instilled the slave mentality into the Macedonian people. I think when you look at them in substance, there is actually very little anyone could learn form these "revolutions".

[Chiche]

You PEOPLE SERIOUS????? OUR People not serious about their own Freedom!!!!!! The people of Latin America have cash, some legal, LOT'S NOT, they have money and large populations. Our People have sweet FA, YOUR CONSTANT REPETITIVE ABUSIVE COMMENTS about those who live in the Republic of Macedonia are Repulsive and childish.

[makedonche]

You PEOPLE SERIOUS????? OUR People not serious about their own Freedom!!!!!! The people of Latin America have cash, some legal, LOT'S NOT, they have money and large populations. Our People have sweet FA, YOUR CONSTANT REPETITIVE ABUSIVE COMMENTS about those who live in the Republic of Macedonia are Repulsive and childish.

Chiche
They would only be abusive if there was any truth to them! Otherwise who would give a shit about something that is clearly not true?

[Vangelovski]

You PEOPLE SERIOUS????? OUR People not serious about their own Freedom!!!!!! The people of Latin America have cash, some legal, LOT'S NOT, they have money and large populations. Our People have sweet FA, YOUR CONSTANT REPETITIVE ABUSIVE COMMENTS about those who live in the Republic of Macedonia are Repulsive and childish.

Chiche, you sound like those people who think every idea is equally valid. I hope you're not.

Not all ideas are equal, some are plainly wrong and stupid. For example, the idea that the Interim Accord is anti-Macedonian versus the opposing idea that it is not anti-Macedonian. Both cannot be right and good. One has to be wrong and bad. How do we know which is which? We compare them to fundamental truths, such as the fact that Macedonians have a right to determine their own identity, and that the Interim Accord denies us this right.

Having done that, we know that the Interim Accord is anti-Macedonian, but what of the people who keep on insisting that it is not? After 20 years of attempting to demonstrate that their view is wrong and bad, where do we go from here? I think some name calling, and much more, is warranted.

[Chiche]

"I think some name calling, and much more, is warranted."

That will achieve nothing at all, education is the only way, you appear to be a well educated person. Teach our people and treat them with respect no matter what political agenda they may have. Show them they are wrong with facts.

[Vangelovski]

"I think some name calling, and much more, is warranted."

That will achieve nothing at all, education is the only way, you appear to be a well educated person. Teach our people and treat them with respect no matter what political agenda they may have. Show them they are wrong with facts.

You missed some of the key points Chiche.

[EgejskaMakedonia]

Its those types of "revolutions" that led them to become the what they are today. Totalitarian/authoritarian forms of governance instilled the slave mentality into the Macedonian people. I think when you look at them in substance, there is actually very little anyone could learn form these "revolutions".

Well in many of these nations the reason for rebellion was because of just that, totalitarian governance. Which totalitarian governments are you referring to? If anything, foreign occupation of Macedonia for prolonged periods of time has led to a slave mentality amongst the population. Now that they have an 'independent' state perhaps they see that as a blessing in itself, thus fail to realise that their sovereignty is diminishing every passing day.

In some recent Latin American revolutions there was no foreign occupation (in a strict sense). The people lived in an independent nation, but the people didn't own the nation. The notion that 1% own 95%+ land forms the basis of such a revolution. If today's Macedonians learnt a thing or two from these rebellions, then maybe they would realise that they no longer own Macedonia. The government is undermining their own people, and until a stance is taken, they will continue to appease those who demand; namely the Albanians, Greeks, etc.

[George S.]

Chiche the macedonian people won't be easy to change no matter how hard or convincing anyone tries it has been instilled in them over many years of occupation & communism.There is no easy solution part of it the whole damn macedonian govt needs to be thrown out by a revolution by the people.Yes by educating the people in the right behaviour is part of the answer but you cannot change people overnight.How does one convince the people what you are doing is for their own good.But at the same moment you want the people to act for themselves is not an easy task.In life there are no guarantees about anything so in a revolution its the same but if the peopl's appetite can be rekindled for freedom,the macedonian cause,& if we can awaken them from their stupor.The more people that realise what is going on the better.

[Vangelovski]

Well in many of these nations the reason for rebellion was because of just that, totalitarian governance. Which totalitarian governments are you referring to? If anything, foreign occupation of Macedonia for prolonged periods of time has led to a slave mentality amongst the population. Now that they have an 'independent' state perhaps they see that as a blessing in itself, thus fail to realise that their sovereignty is diminishing every passing day.

In some recent Latin American revolutions there was no foreign occupation (in a strict sense). The people lived in an independent nation, but the people didn't own the nation. The notion that 1% own 95%+ land forms the basis of such a revolution. If today's Macedonians learnt a thing or two from these rebellions, then maybe they would realise that they no longer own Macedonia. The government is undermining their own people, and until a stance is taken, they will continue to appease those who demand; namely the Albanians, Greeks, etc.

Which South American revolution(s) are you referring to specifically? You sound like you're referring to some socialist revolutions such as the one in Cuba. Well, Cuba is under the control of a totalitarian regime. What could Macedonians possibly learn from that?

Macedonians already had a socialist revolution in 1944-45. It was a complete disaster. That is not even considering the aspect of foreign occupation by Yugoslavia/Serbia.

[Jankovska]

Chiche the macedonian people won't be easy to change no matter how hard or convincing anyone tries it has been instilled in them over many years of occupation & communism.There is no easy solution part of it the whole damn macedonian govt needs to be thrown out by a revolution by the people.Yes by educating the people in the right behaviour is part of the answer but you cannot change people overnight.How does one convince the people what you are doing is for their own good.But at the same moment you want the people to act for themselves is not an easy task.In life there are no guarantees about anything so in a revolution its the same but if the peopl's appetite can be rekindled for freedom,the macedonian cause,& if we can awaken them from their stupor.The more people that realise what is going on the better.

How do you know that, have you tried to educate them?