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  • Coolski
    Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 747

    Macedonian Flagship Tune

    I've been thinking: What do you guys consider to be our most unique instrumental oro/song? I'm considering this from a marketing perspective, in that i've thought about the way different tunes seem to typify different nations. It's usually very simple tunes without words, as they are much easier to be identified internationally. Below are some examples of other marketed/famous songs. They're always in a major key (meaning they sound happy/positive rather than serious/negative, which is a minor key).

    They're usually used in either tourist ads, or on travel features on tv shows where they show a montage of places in between the tv presenters taking them through a particular place.

    Consider the Italian Tarantella:
    Tarantella Napoletana - YouTube

    The Serbian užičko kolo:
    Uzicko kolo - YouTube

    Israeli/Jewish Hava Nagila:
    Hava Nagila - Trio Balkan Strings Live in The Kolarac Concert Hall, Belgrade May 2010 - YouTube

    Zorba's dance which is widely marketed by the modern greeks:
    Greek Dance - Sirtaki. Igor Moiseev's Ballet - YouTube

    Brazil: The girl from Ipanema
    Astrud Gilberto and Stan Getz: THE GIRL FROM IPANEMA - 1964 - YouTube
    The Girl From Ipanema - Antonio Carlos Jobim - YouTube
    Last edited by Coolski; 10-16-2012, 11:32 PM.
    - Секој чоек и нација има можност да успеат колку шо си дозволуваат. Нема изговор.
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  • makedonche
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2008
    • 3242

    #2
    Coolski
    Makedonsko Devoiche..............no other possibility!
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    • Macedonian_Nationalist
      Member
      • Jul 2012
      • 407

      #3
      Tri Kila banani

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      • Coolski
        Member
        • Sep 2008
        • 747

        #4
        @makedonche This song is well recognised in the Balkans, however I think the song needs to have the following attributes:

        1. Simplicity: It should be a simple tune, perhaps 4:4 time signature
        2. Major key: It should have a major musical key, meaning that it sounds positive/happy rather than serious.
        3. Upbeat: It should be fast enough to give you energy.
        4. In the public domain, without royalty issues.

        I think Makedonsko Devojče is a beautiful Macedonian song, one of my favourites. I'm just trying to imagine it being used in a versatile way in a large scale way and I don't think it'd suit. I'm talking about selecting a tune where, if you select it as an advertiser or a tv show, it is an instant identification with our "brand" as a national group. I'm talking about promoting a cliche song.

        For example: Let's say they're doing a cooking segment on a morning TV show and they're making Macedonian food. They'd play this tune as an overlay, because it would be so cliche that people know exactly what it is. Usually those songs fulfill the 4 categories above.

        While Makedonsko Devojce is a beautiful song, it is musically serious, slow/reflective and uses a complex 7:8 time signature.

        Stamena popped into my head as an option, however it's written in the minor not major key, meaning that while it is musically upbeat, 4:4 time signature and strong, it is a serious tune.

        Biljana Platno Belese is another option, because it is in a positive (major) musical key, written in simple 3:4 timing, however it isn't quite upbeat, but more relaxing.

        I know there's one that'll be perfect.
        Last edited by Coolski; 10-16-2012, 11:44 PM.
        - Секој чоек и нација има можност да успеат колку шо си дозволуваат. Нема изговор.
        - Every human and nation has the ability to be as great or as weak as they allow themselves to be. No excuses.

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        • Coolski
          Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 747

          #5
          Actually perhaps an oro with a 7:8 time signature could work. A guy that taught me some Tambura said to me "Makedonskoto srce čuka po sedum osmini" and it's true.

          Pajduško is a versatile and unique enough Oro that could fit the criteria: It has major and minor key elements, energetic because it's an oro, identifiable with Macedonian music/identity, Can be played on guitar/tambura/clarinet/gajda.


          Kočo Petrovski- Pajduško Oro - YouTube
          Last edited by Coolski; 10-16-2012, 11:57 PM.
          - Секој чоек и нација има можност да успеат колку шо си дозволуваат. Нема изговор.
          - Every human and nation has the ability to be as great or as weak as they allow themselves to be. No excuses.

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          • vicsinad
            Senior Member
            • May 2011
            • 2337

            #6
            Coolski:

            While I think you make good points, I think the 7/8 time really represents Macedonian better than 3/4 or 4/4 or 2/4, though songs like Slusaj Kaj Sumat Sumite and Narode Makedonci are both good non-7/8 tunes.

            I'd say my pick would be the tune from Dimna Juda Grad Gradila...though like most Mak songs, other Slavic countries use them. However, it is awesome and can be both 2/4 and 7/8

            Dimna Juda : Music of Macedonia - YouTube

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            • vicsinad
              Senior Member
              • May 2011
              • 2337

              #7
              I do believe the minor would represent Macedonia and her history better than the major key...but people want to be happy with the major

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              • Vangelovski
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 8534

                #8
                Victor, what's your definition of 'slavic' when referring to 'other slavic countries'?
                If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

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                • machorot
                  Junior Member
                  • May 2010
                  • 78

                  #9
                  My pick would be the tune from 'dosta vreme ergen odev'

                  Dobri Stavrevski - Dosta vreme ergen odev - YouTube[/QUOTE]

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                  • Peshoshnitsa Lerin
                    Junior Member
                    • Jun 2012
                    • 85

                    #10
                    my choice would be pushteno, has great meaning and its a tune that is very hard to get sick of

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                    • Vangelovski
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 8534

                      #11
                      Has anyone mentioned teskoto yet? I think it makes very good use of the bagpipe and zurla and although slow at times, is still very unique. It would fit in well with misty mountain scenes adding an air of mystery and intrigue.
                      If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                      The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                      • The LION will ROAR
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 3231

                        #12
                        I have little knowledge of Music, But what I do know that the Gajda is a big part if not the most unique instrumental for the Macedonians...
                        Coolski you need to have the Gajda incorporated in the Macedonian theme




                        The Macedonians originates it, the Bulgarians imitate it and the Greeks exploit it!

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                        • Vangelovski
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 8534

                          #13
                          Maybe we could get this guy to do a rendition for us:

                          Kinez peva Sar Planina - YouTube
                          If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

                          The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations...This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams

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                          • EgejskaMakedonia
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 1665

                            #14
                            Stani mome da zaigras (opa nina nina naj) might work if you can find an instrumental version of it.

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                            • Risto the Great
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 15660

                              #15
                              Originally posted by makedonche View Post
                              Coolski
                              Makedonsko Devoiche..............no other possibility!
                              I feel the same way.
                              And a minor key is highly appropriate for a nation that has struggled for milleniums.
                              The introduction is immediately recognisable and totally Macedonian.
                              What more do we need.
                              Risto the Great
                              MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                              "Holding my breath for the revolution."

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