Euro 2012

[EgejskaMakedonia]

I also find it boring,but do you know something?everybody fights using his own weapons and don't think it's that easy to play this defensive game with success.If that was the case,everybody would play defensive and win.

You're right in that sense and fair play to them if they can pull off wins with that strategy. But at the end of the day, the sport is a business. If all EPL teams for examples, decided to adopt this style of play, people will eventually stop turning up. This certainly happened with the EPL team I support during the last season.

At the end of the day, the less people through the gates, the less money. No money = no sport. So yes, it may achieve some results...but this sort of negative football reflects badly upon the sport.

[George S.]

look ok large flags should be left home but getting out the hellenic symbols supposedly the star of vergina.Come on that's far fetched,I thought it was strictly royal macedonia symbol not greek govt propaganda tool of propaganda.Since when is the 2500 year old star of vergina relevat in a game of sport today.The current greek flag can be waved.But do you have to wave other people's flags is that going to make you feel better the macedonian sun flag.So legitimacy has gone out the door & people feel they can just drag anything in.

[Bill77]

everybody fights using his own weapons and don't think it's that easy to play this defensive game with success.

I call it weak, Dirty, devious, unsavoury. Its easy for Greeks.

If that was the case,everybody would play defensive and win.

Well everybody are to honest,fair and brave. We all can't be Greek.

[Agamoi Thytai]

I call it weak, Dirty, devious, unsavoury. Its easy for Greeks.

Βilly,you really have not the slightest clue about football if you really believe that only Greece plays this defensive football.How do you think played Macedonia against Russia some months ago in the qualification match for EURO2012?I watched that game,your team played with the same defensive tactic however you were defeated 0-1.I also watched your match against Armenia,you were defeated 1-4,do you know why?Because your coach apparently considered Armenia not as strong as Russia and tried to play offensive football,so that's the price for playing offensively when you are not qualified to do it.Most teams that have no good offensive players play defensively but not all of them earn the best results,so success using defensive tactics is a matter of ability.It's indeed boring,I admit it,but as I said everybody tries to get the best result using the tactic that fits him better.Do you really think Greeks invented defensive football?Have you ever heard of catenaccio?Btw it's a pure coincidence that it was invented by someone who was called HELENIO Herrera!

Well everybody are to honest,fair and brave.

That's fine,you can keep on being too honest,fair and brave and loosing 1-4 to Armenia and 1-2 to Louxembourg.

We all can't be Greek.

That's right Billy,all can't be Greek cause only Greeks have managed so far to win a major trophy in football overcoming superior teams and that's something one should feel pride and not shame!

[Agamoi Thytai]

You're right in that sense and fair play to them if they can pull off wins with that strategy. But at the end of the day, the sport is a business. If all EPL teams for examples, decided to adopt this style of play, people will eventually stop turning up. This certainly happened with the EPL team I support during the last season.

At the end of the day, the less people through the gates, the less money. No money = no sport. So yes, it may achieve some results...but this sort of negative football reflects badly upon the sport.

I don't disagree with all what you've written but hey,that's how football works,everybody has his chance to win everybody and this happens only in football and no other game,even the weakest team can defeat a far stronger one,that's why football is so popular.Otherwise it would also be too boring,if we all knew that Goliath will smash David at the end.After all,if strong teams like Chelsea play defensively why shouldn't Greece do it?

[United MKD]

Βilly,you really have not the slightest clue about football if you really believe that only Greece plays this defensive football.How do you think played Macedonia against Russia some months ago in the qualification match for EURO2012?I watched that game,your team played with the same defensive tactic however you were defeated 0-1.I also watched your match against Armenia,you were defeated 1-4,do you know why?Because your coach apparently considered Armenia not as strong as Russia and tried to play offensive football,so that's the price for playing offensively when you are not qualified to do it.Most teams that have no good offensive players play defensively but not all of them earn the best results,so success using defensive tactics is a matter of ability.It's indeed boring,I admit it,but as I said everybody tries to get the best result using the tactic that fits him better.not shame!

lol, we dominated the first half against Russia, Pandev missed a one on one and we had a couple more good chances. I remember because I was surprised by our qualifty that first half. Secondly, we lost 4-1 to Armenia (who also beat Slovaka by the same scoreline) not because of our tactics of playing 'offensive' rather of our players on the pitch such as Muarem who is the worse player to have played for Macedonia and Mirko Ivanovski playing as a lone striker back then he played in the second division of Poland. While in your three games at Euro you have had three shots on target, that's one shot a game. Even against minnows such as Malta, Luxembourg etc your max wins are 2-0 or a 3-1. Credit to Greece for sticking to this game plan for 10 years but it is not winning you fans, it is anti-football and ruining the game and spectacle.

[Bill77]

That's right Billy,all can't be Greek cause only Greeks have managed so far to win a major trophy in football overcoming superior teams

Did i mention "Liers" in that list of Greek traits?

Try Denmark, and it was before Greece achieved it. And there was a diference between the two one was glorious (Denmark) the other (Greece) was looked as a joke.

Denmark- Did not initially qualify only entered due to Yugoslavia expulsion.
They fought bravely, attacked with nothing to loose attitude and were admired for it.

Greece- Quite the opposite to Denmark. Most notably regarding the worlds reaction and compared to Denmark's admiration, Greece are 5th on a list of most hated Football team includes club and international level on this list.

http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/2292/editorials/2010/02/23/1803725/10-most-hated-football-teams

that's something one should feel pride and not shame!

Greeks can toss off each other with pride as much as they like about the 2004 Euro. No one else will do it for you.

What your economy has done to Europe's finances, is what your Football club will do to Football.

[EgejskaMakedonia]

I don't disagree with all what you've written but hey,that's how football works,everybody has his chance to win everybody and this happens only in football and no other game,even the weakest team can defeat a far stronger one,that's why football is so popular.Otherwise it would also be too boring,if we all knew that Goliath will smash David at the end.After all,if strong teams like Chelsea play defensively why shouldn't Greece do it?

That's the great thing about football, even the underdog goes into the game with a genuine chance. If Greece wants to tarnish their reputation for years to come, then so be it. It's probably worth it in the long run if they win the competition, like back in 2004. Good luck to them for your sake, but I'll be barracking for the Germans over here!

[EgejskaMakedonia]

Βilly,you really have not the slightest clue about football if you really believe that only Greece plays this defensive football.How do you think played Macedonia against Russia some months ago in the qualification match for EURO2012?I watched that game,your team played with the same defensive tactic however you were defeated 0-1.I also watched your match against Armenia,you were defeated 1-4,do you know why?Because your coach apparently considered Armenia not as strong as Russia and tried to play offensive football,so that's the price for playing offensively when you are not qualified to do it.

The Macedonian has always had another aspect of their game which has made them both boring and frustrating to watch. They are quite lazy and have a lack of discipline. As for the defending statement you made, you're probably right. I haven't watched them in a while, but it was reported that Macedonia was extremely defensive against Portugal in a friendly international that ended up in a 0-0 draw. To be honest, I'd rather see them lose 3-2 but give it a real go, than park the bus and play for the draw every game. That said, Macedonia is no good at football at the moment, so I guess their tactics don't receive the same level of criticism that a EURO competition would attract.

[fatso]

Did i mention "Liers" in that list of Greek traits?

Try Denmark, and it was before Greece achieved it. And there was a diference between the two one was glorious (Denmark) the other (Greece) was looked as a joke.

Denmark- Did not initially qualify only entered due to Yugoslavia expulsion.
They fought bravely, attacked with nothing to loose attitude and were admired for it.

Greece- Quite the opposite to Denmark. Most notably regarding the worlds reaction and compared to Denmark's admiration, Greece are 5th on a list of most hated Football team includes club and international level on this list.

http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/2292/editorials/2010/02/23/1803725/10-most-hated-football-teams

Greeks can toss off each other with pride as much as they like about the 2004 Euro. No one else will do it for you.

What your economy has done to Europe's finances, is what your Football club will do to Football.

Bill....You are sounding like Onur.

2004 was something for the Greeks to be proud of...they do play a boring style of soccer and it's disliked
Ss for, there economy they are to blame . I was recently in Spain and found there were beggers everywhere in Barcelona with unemployment hoovering around 23 %.

[Bill77]

Bill....You are sounding like Onur.

For me that is a compliment you know

2004 was something for the Greeks to be proud of...

I am not disputing this...hence the tongue in cheek comment about Greeks tossing each other off implying they were on such a high there would have been love all around in Greece. But thats where this love would have been contained. The rest of the world were turned off (Disliked) by the way the team did it and you seem to agree with me in your statement below.

they do play a boring style of soccer and it's disliked

So you along with myself, must sound like Onur, i can't see what the difference is between what i said and what you just said.

Regarding your last comment about Spain and beggers...... irrelevant.

[fatso]

For me that is a compliment you know

I am not disputing this...hence the tongue in cheek comment about Greeks tossing each other off implying they were on such a high there would have been love all around in Greece. But thats where this love would have been contained. The rest of the world were turned off (Disliked) by the way the team did it and you seem to agree with me in your statement below.

So you along with myself, must sound like Onur, i can't see what the difference is between what i said and what you just said.

Regarding your last comment about Spain and beggers...... irrelevant.

I just wanted to clarify the most disliked soccer teams and why. Your reasoning for their team being disliked is because they are Greek at least that is what you are implying . But rather, it's their style of soccer.


If sounding like Onur is a compliment to you....pretty sad. This clown couldn't care less what happens to Macedonia...
His goal here is to spread hate for Greece and Christianity.
Notice how your friend Onur has little to say when Albaninas or Muslims commit any crimes against Christians or Macedonians.

[Bill77]

I just wanted to clarify the most disliked soccer teams and why. Your reasoning for their team being disliked is because they are Greek at least that is what you are implying . But rather, it's their style of soccer.

No not at all. Its clearly their style and possibly their boasting and the condoning of this style which i took from Agamoi's post. I understand you perceiving my response the way you did, its no secret i.......lets just say am "angry" with Greeks. But i make no apologies for that.

If sounding like Onur is a compliment to you....pretty sad. This clown couldn't care less what happens to Macedonia...
His goal here is to spread hate for Greece and Christianity.
Notice how your friend Onur has little to say when Albaninas or Muslims commit any crimes against Christians or Macedonians.

I am aware you don't see eye to eye with him but he is good to me and always happy to help with answers. I am pretty sure he has spoken anti Albanian before, i think against Epirot regarding origin of language and or religion. Also he spoke against Albanians claiming Turkish mosques in Macedonia. I respect him becuase like him or not he has plenty of knowledge IMO. He is a walking google search engine lol.

I will let you know also for what its worth, i came to respect you and do not wish to get in a slinging match with you on this football issue. I hope you got my apology via pm months ago which i think says allot coming from me that often sounds rough around the edges when it comes to anything Greek. cheers.

[Bill77]

I know who i will be following for the rest of the Euro


ist deutsch, ist gud

[fatso]

I know who i will be following for the rest of the Euro


ist deutsch, ist gud

lol.......nice pic's