Perceptions of God, Creationism and Evolution

[makedonin]

There is no place for bias in science, and if some present somewhere it will be eradicated because of the critical approach.

I am yet to meet fundy or creationist to display at least one tent of honesty present in science.

Here is good example of creationist delusion:

Yes there was dinosaurs even the Bible talks of them, there is no FACT of evolution if so present some evidence of this THEORY

With this people there can not be any discussion on same level. No No, they know it all and have the authority of their invisible friend.

[Vangelovski]

You know exactly what I'm talking about...
I find the condescending tone of your reply very offensive.

The entire debate between evolutionists and creationists has the coexistence of science and religion at its core.
The only time science isn't an issue to Christian fundementalists is when it doesn't step on their toes or when they believe that science supports their beliefs.

You're too paranoid mate, there is no "tone".

And no, science is a methodology, a system through which to understand the natural world - its not a competing worldview. The fact that evolution can't hold up to scientific scrutiny, as demonstrated by the numerous evidence I've posted and you have not even attempted to refute, and yet militant darwinists and atheists continue to adhere to it rather than accept that it is fantastical is the issue. Perhaps we should revisit all of the evidence I've posted so far before I continue posting new evidence?

[Zarni]

I declare Vangelovski the winner out of sheer dogmatic persistance and annoyance

[Vangelovski]

I declare Vangelovski the winner out of sheer dogmatic persistance and annoyance

Zarni, if you can't contribute any evidence and can't refute any evidence and don't want your evolutionary bubble burst, why even bother reading the thread?

[Zarni]

Vangel and all read http://www.sinauer.com/detail.php?id=6599

Denying Evolution: Creation, Scientism, and the Nature of Science
Massimo Pigliucci, SUNY-Stony Brook

It presents the contreversy from both sides you need to digest all of this by stepping back and relax because one quality the human animal doesn't display today is our lack of evolution to be the inlighted species God or Biology wants of us

I have seen both sides just as worthy of each other deserving to remove themselves from the debate

[Vangelovski]

Vangel and all read http://www.sinauer.com/detail.php?id=6599

Denying Evolution: Creation, Scientism, and the Nature of Science
Massimo Pigliucci, SUNY-Stony Brook

It presents the contreversy from both sides you need to digest all of this by stepping back and relax because one quality the human animal doesn't display today is our lack of evolution to be the inlighted species God or Biology wants of us

I have seen both sides just as worthy of each other deserving to remove themselves from the debate

This doesn't provide any evidence either way. Its just an ad for a book, which I'm sure will be an interesting read. But at this stage, your contribution has been zero.

Here's a picture of a unicorn:

http://www.free-extras.com/images/unicorn-1846.htm

[Zarni]

Vangel you do not understand what I am asking you to engage in it just went over your head and I mean this respectively

I am not attempting to take an angle here although I have a certain shift towards established Science
posting a mere URL on a forum of all places isn’t measurable evidence what do you want me to do it just continues a tit for that war you post we post again and again

Natural Therapy for example a multimillion dollar Industry and although largely hock wash isn’t going away
I have seen large efforts by players in this Industry to discredit Medicine much like the 800 signatures example you posted, just like the example involving that prominent American Professor on Ancient History only to learn the man was slightly biased and was married to a Greek Women and her culture

Just think a little again step back you are making this to heated for all

Listen to the Skeptics Guide to the Univerise it is a podcast that talks to all it is entertaining and at the same time real

[Phoenix]

You're too paranoid mate, there is no "tone".

And no, science is a methodology, a system through which to understand the natural world - its not a competing worldview. The fact that evolution can't hold up to scientific scrutiny, as demonstrated by the numerous evidence I've posted and you have not even attempted to refute, and yet militant darwinists and atheists continue to adhere to it rather than accept that it is fantastical is the issue. Perhaps we should revisit all of the evidence I've posted so far before I continue posting new evidence?

TV, there is a tone and its been noted by the majority of posters that disagree with you, perhaps that's a coincidence but I doubt it.
I seriously doubt that you even notice your tone but its always there.

Many people have presented solid scientific fact and theory to challenge all of your creationist beliefs but you totally disregard each and every one of them, you simply REFUSE to even consider a different point of view.

Is your faith that weak that you fear any scrutiny, you're like the reformed smoker who hasn't even got the willpower to stand near his smoking friends...

[Vangelovski]

Vangel you do not understand what I am asking you to engage in it just went over your head and I mean this respectively

I am not attempting to take an angle here although I have a certain shift towards established Science
posting a mere URL on a forum of all places isn’t measurable evidence what do you want me to do it just continues a tit for that war you post we post again and again

Natural Therapy for example a multimillion dollar Industry and although largely hock wash isn’t going away
I have seen large efforts by players in this Industry to discredit Medicine much like the 800 signatures example you posted, just like the example involving that prominent American Professor on Ancient History only to learn the man was slightly biased and was married to a Greek Women and her culture

Just think a little again step back you are making this to heated for all

Listen to the Skeptics Guide to the Univerise it is a podcast that talks to all it is entertaining and at the same time real

The difference between medicine and evolution is that you can test, observe and demonstrate that medicine works. With evolution, its just a bunch of fanciful stories for which very little evidence exists and for which there is a lot more substantial evidence against. Evolution is nothing more than an idea (much like an ideological outlook) that atheists (who are in a majority across the world) have latched onto - its not "established science". It appears you also have difficulty understanding what science actually is...

The history professor example you provide only proves my point further. The vast majority of academia across the world agree that the ancient Macedonians were Greek. Does that make them right? Of course not. Their biased or self-interested views leads them to make conclusions that contradict the evidence.

[Vangelovski]

TV, there is a tone and its been noted by the majority of posters that disagree with you, perhaps that's a coincidence but I doubt it.
I seriously doubt that you even notice your tone but its always there.

Many people have presented solid scientific fact and theory to challenge all of your creationist beliefs but you totally disregard each and every one of them, you simply REFUSE to even consider a different point of view.

Is your faith that weak that you fear any scrutiny, you're like the reformed smoker who hasn't even got the willpower to stand near his smoking friends...

Phoenix, you're one to talk about tone. The vast majority of your posts include the F word and many other colourful words, which, by the way, has been noted as well.

When you say "evidence" has been posted in favour of evolution on this thread, do you actually mean various hypotheses? I've seen quite a few different ideas about how maybe evolution has taken place, but no actual evidence to back up those ideas. Perhaps I have missed something and if you know of something specific, repost it or direct me to it.

I can confidently state however, that noone has even tried to refute the evidence against evolution that I have posted on this site, some of it which if looked out unbiasly, would kill the idea of evolution completely, such as the problems of irreducible complexity and the information problem.

Further, there is an assumption that Christians are somehow biased, and that may be true to an extent, but atheists are biased as well, because atheism is not a "science", its a worldview, and a kind of spiritual ideology.

[Phoenix]

Phoenix, you're one to talk about tone. The vast majority of your posts include the F word and many other colourful words, which, by the way, has been noted as well.

C'mon TV, you know damn well the 'tone' I'm talking about...I would suggest that your 'tone' is far more offensive to the majority of the forum when you talk down to people from your perch of self-righteousness, than any use of the 'f' word by me.

Perhaps you and your fellow note-takers need to step out of the Victorian era but in the meantime, rather than admonish me for the use of a very common pop-culture term, I suggest you turn your attention to your fellow creationist, 'vojnik' and his rather un-Christian penchant for the 'c' bomb...

[Vangelovski]

C'mon TV, you know damn well the 'tone' I'm talking about...I would suggest that your 'tone' is far more offensive to the majority of the forum when you talk down to people from your perch of self-righteousness, than any use of the 'f' word by me.

Perhaps you and your fellow note-takers need to step out of the Victorian era but in the meantime, rather than admonish me for the use of a very common pop-culture term, I suggest you turn your attention to your fellow creationist, 'vojnik' and his rather un-Christian penchant for the 'c' bomb...

Phoenix, you'd do much better to provide a substantive contribution to the thread rather than just repeat the same sweeping statements and complain about my "Victorian self-righteousness".

In the meantime, I will keep posting evidence that refutes the evolution hypotheses. You are free to ignore it and this entire thread if it offends you.

[George S.]

The sicientists are still searching their theories are constantly evolving where god is god he doesn't change.

[julie]

There are many proven forms of dating

Here's a link to the most popular radiometric dating methods used today.
this article is well referenced.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiometric_dating

[Bukefal]

C'mon TV, you know damn well the 'tone' I'm talking about...I would suggest that your 'tone' is far more offensive to the majority of the forum when you talk down to people from your perch of self-righteousness, than any use of the 'f' word by me.

Perhaps you and your fellow note-takers need to step out of the Victorian era but in the meantime, rather than admonish me for the use of a very common pop-culture term, I suggest you turn your attention to your fellow creationist, 'vojnik' and his rather un-Christian penchant for the 'c' bomb...

I've noticed this as well. It seems Mr. Vangelovski can't handle other people's opinion that well and get upset, denegrating and using his 'forum powers' with threatening. Calm down son. At the end of the day, It's just a forum on the freakin internet.

Jankovska wrote something recently what stayed in my mind

WTF is wrong with you? You are blabing on about the Bible but no one else is meant to? Why? Because we don't agree with you?
OK, Druze Tito, I'll stop posting and send myself to fucking Goli Otok.
You carry on spreading bullshit on this forum, soon people will realise what I have long time ago, you are good at one thing, talking shit all day long.

You don't ever respond to people, you think you can talk and say whatever the hell you want but no one else can? Mr Dictator who says Yugoslavia was not good.