Perceptions of God, Creationism and Evolution

[Delodephius]

What? I said no such thing. My post was clearly written in a form of a question and an example? It was not meant to further include me in this discussion. I believe that was quite clear and obvious.

[vojnik]

Isn't my religion my private thing? I haven't talked about it to anyone ever, not that I didn't want to, I just never met a person who could understand. I just stated that I wasn't an atheist but that I'm not a Christian, Jewish or Muslim either. And I was just asking a question, I wasn't planning on discussing, this isn't really my environment. I just wanted to help the discussion.

Why is it so private? Are you ashamed of your religion? All religion's share a common name which is to share it's message to the world, proving it is the one religion anointed by God possibly even changing peoples minds to convert and become one with God. So obviously you are either ashamed or your religion is well and truly too hard to comprehend as it doesn't sound like any religion I have heard of till this day. I would actually like to hear what it is about to be honest.

[Delodephius]

All religion's share a common name which is to share it's message to the world, proving it is the one religion anointed by God possibly even changing peoples minds to convert and become one with God.

That's not true. Only Abrahamic religions have the tendency to share their message. Dharmic and Taoic religions do not.

[vojnik]

That's not true. Only Abrahamic religions have the tendency to share their message. Dharmic and Taoic religions do not.

I don't know much about Taoic religions but I can tell you the Dali Lamas recent visit to Australia wasn't about seeing the sites. I can guarentee you it was a bid to spread the Dharmic religion.

[Delodephius]

Well, Buddhism is the only Dharmic religion that does do some missionary work and it was the only one to spread outside of India, though insignificant in size and zeal of Abrahamic spread, even less in the significance the Buddhists give it themselves.

[makedonin]

My point about lay atheists not understanding what the Bible or science are. Why does Noah's story need to cover that? When did the Bible claim it was a science/history textbook? The primary purpose of the Bible is so that we can understand God and what he wants from us. People, places and events mentioned in the Bible are really only incidental to its main theme.

It is not the bible that claims such things, but creationist and fundamentalist in its name because they pretend it to know it all as actual history and science. Non the less Bible does not have the slightest idea about things that their autors did not know, but rather reflects their limited knowledge about the world. If we are to take it serious about the origin of the world, humans, universe etc. It must know about things that goes beyond the knowledge of the age of its writing, and it does not, rather it throws around ferry tales and myths.

And for the purpose and stuff, it actually Fails to do so. The greatest proof of that are all of those different interpretations of it, and all of its interpreter claim the same source of divine guidance for their own interpretation.

[makedonin]

Makedonin dont believe everything a scientist says, the fist thing I was told starting my science degree was "do not think that everything you read in scientific journals is fact they are theories that are put out there to be disproved and if they can not at that particular time we have to begrudgingly accept them until someone can disprove them"
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Science has nothing to do with belief. What is theorized stands open to be disproved, and for some things you gonna be paid if you conclusively do so. There is nothing wrong with that, it is how we can stay critical and objective. But a good theory puts certain perdictions that can be put to observation and test. In that case theory is good until it fails to perdict certain events. Say if some day the ball does not fall with same speed as some feather in vacuum, than new theory is to be put foreward.

Im a scientist and I believe in God (people please use capital letter) I think that there is no big bang (unless God clapped his hands)....evolution is out of the question we did not come from apes that is stupid and many other "theories".

The Bible God is a Myth of nomadic people that fused many different belief systems. It fails to stand critical reading and pops out as human theo-political doctrine with plain human interest.

And to be scientist does not imply to be atheist, but not necessary Christian, which in my case.

[TrueMacedonian]

Phoenix it is not a matter of having an open mind it is about making the right decisions and not trying to clone or resurrect dead animals.

Are you a scientist? If not then you cant really fully comprehend what a scientist with a clear mind can do...we are not God and thus must not meddle in his work. ie. designer babies (people must be mental)

Lavce and everyone else who believes the Earth is 5000 years old I think you should see what happens when a scientist debates a creationist. It's mind boggling having an Oxford Professor break down how mankind came to be as well as life in general to a nitwit whose never taken a science class.

YouTube - ‪Richard Dawkins Interviews Creationist Wendy Wright (Part 1/7)‬‏
YouTube - ‪Richard Dawkins Interviews Creationist Wendy Wright (Part 2/7)‬‏

[TrueMacedonian]

Tom instead of starting an entirely new topic where we're going to see the same arguements anyway why not just change the title of this thread so we can continue on here?

[George S.]

TM why does man have a religion. at allIf it's one god why so many man made religions which religion is the true religion??Which god is the real god???
Why are we debating the existence of the flood it ether did happen or it didn't simple as that.Is it you don't beleive anything in the bible full stop or you only beleive the things you want to beleive??Remember one of the commandments thou shalt not test your your lord god.WE virtually all want proof but proof ain't coming till judgement day.There are a lot of skeptics out there.Just remember faith is not something that requires proof but obedience.One thing that jesus said of what faith is if you have the faith of the size of a mustard seed you can move mountains.Who has that kind of faith today nobody???

[Vangelovski]

TM,

Your posting a video by Richard Dawkings debating a nobody (an uninformed Christian). How about Richard Dawkings debating a somebody where he breaks down into a dithering fool? You're either new at this or just scraping the bottom of the barrell.

[Zarni]

How about Richard Dawkings

There are better critical thinkers then Richard he has a media fame built around him and is overly too critical of religion he also holds evolution as his bible and arwin as his God

On crackpot creationsits they are all essestially the same I can argue down every single one of them let alone a Cambridge great

Vangelovski is your line of thought based completly just on Faith

[julie]

the Old Testament is difficult for me to believe as something as fact, everything is open to interpretation
What people are saying , if I dont accept the bible in its entirety, am not Christian, a follower of Christ.
I believe in Jesus Christ being a teacher and healer, in love and compassion, I find it difficult to believe the world was created in 7 days, that we are all brothers and sisters, and in a garden like concept of heaven
If we all live with the teachings of Jesus Christ, then are we not Christians?
Jesus did not preach the bible
Every war has started in the name of religion- crusades had King James bible under one arm, sword in another , Jesus did not preach war!

I take comfort from my interpretation and faith in Jesus Christ as my saviour and healer in my personal life, and go by the Buddhist philosophy in life where we are God. God is us, we are sacred holy beings, and to live with compassion and kindness

Who has the right to say that their interpretation is the right way? Where is it written that a book must be followed that is debatable by whom it is written

[Risto the Great]

The bible is God's word according to this link:

http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-God-Word.html

I think you have to believe it all as there does not appear to be room for picking and choosing your favourite bits. Having said that, who has read it in its entirety? I haven't. The Lord of the Rings seemed like more fun when I was younger so I should have a crack at the entire Bible one day.

Truthfully, once I read a line that said the jealous God would "punish" our great grandchildren and great great grandchildren for our sins (or something like that) in the OT, I kind of left the bible being the word of god camp.

[Bill77]

Truthfully, once I read a line that said the jealous God would "punish" our great grandchildren and great great grandchildren for our sins (or something like that) in the OT, I kind of left the bible being the word of god camp.

That's what it means if you read it as a story book. What is so clever about God is, He designed it to shock the non believer. But once you are a believer, its not what it seems. Its hard to explain in a brief post and iv'e no craving to go into extremely long explanations......Well mabe i should have shut up if i had no intention in going into detail.