Albanianization in Macedonia

[Niko777]

What can we say about this Niko?
(a) Macedonians did not vote for the ventilator (however they have effectively supported it by not protesting against it)
(b) Macedonians wanted the local ethnic Albanians to have more say when the referendum failed. What did they think the ethnic Albanians would have wanted?

These are very valid points Risto

[Niko777]

I didn`t know that the mayor of Skopje speaks Albanian...

[Brian]

Couldn't this sort of thing be used during a census to eliminate some of the fraud - no person standing in front of you to be scanned, no count. Period.

Being based on an I-Phone it should be easy to implement and use in the field.

US Turns into a Police State, Iris Scans Next!

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/18670/56/

Wednesday, 20 July 2011
Dozens of police departments across the USA are gearing up to use a tech company's already controversial iris- and facial-scanning device that slides over an iPhone and helps identify a person or track criminal suspects.

The so-called "biometric" technology, which seems to take a page from TV shows like "MI-5" or "CSI," could improve speed and accuracy in some routine police work in the field. However, its use has set off alarms with some who are concerned about possible civil liberties and privacy issues.

The smartphone-based scanner, named Mobile Offender Recognition and Information System, or MORIS, is made by BI2 Technologies in Plymouth, Massachusetts, and can be deployed by officers out on the beat or back at the station.

An iris scan, which detects unique patterns in a person's eyes, can reduce to seconds the time it takes to identify a suspect in custody. This technique also is significantly more accurate than results from other fingerprinting technology long in use by police, BI2 says.

When attached to an iPhone, MORIS can photograph a person's face and run the image through software that hunts for a match in a BI2-managed database of U.S. criminal records. Each unit costs about $3,000.

Some experts fret police may be randomly scanning the population, using potentially intrusive techniques to search for criminals, sex offenders, and illegal aliens, but the manufacturer says that would be a difficult task for officers to carry out.

Sean Mullin, BI2's CEO, says it is difficult, if not impossible, to covertly photograph someone and obtain a clear, usable image without that person knowing about it, because the MORIS should be used close up.

"It requires a level of cooperation that makes it very overt -- a person knows that you're taking a picture for this purpose," Mullin said.

[ProMKD]

Brian, did you not read the article you posted? Who the hell would advocate for less privacy of regular citizens, and more power to corrupt politicians?

[Brian]

Yes, I did read the article.

Obviously, judging by the article, "Dozens of police departments across the USA are gearing up to use a tech company's already controversial iris- and facial-scanning device...".

If the USA can do it, why not Macedonia where they already have ID cards? The hardest hurdle to setting up something like this would be convincing a society to have a photo ID system. In Australia the idea has been knocked down at least twice because they don't already have a standard ID system in place (the driver's licence is a kind of defacto system used).

In Macedonia the government should already know who is who from their ID cards. Obviously they do not know when a person has 2 or more identities or dead or fictitious identities exist. A bio-metric system (facial or retina) would put an end to all the Albanian's BS (except where the main database was corrupted), and at about $3000-00 per field unit, not too expensive to implement.

In corrupt places only less liberties will work, and what more corrupt than the massively bloated Albanian census figures? Where so much hangs on the result of a census, I think everything else (not money) it costs Macedonia with BS figures, how can they NOT afford to do it? Besides, weren't the passports supposed to be bio-metric?

[ProMKD]

Brian, you are talking about measures that will be FOREVER, something like this will never be abolished when someone wants to get rid of it in the future. You are talking about the ability to potentially track ALL citizens and EVERY MOVE they make forever. That is basically making all citizens ants in an ant farm, and the government is the owner of the ant farm and can track anybody anywhere, and do whatever it wants. This is an insane idea, just because some article says it's being used in the USA doesn't mean we should jump on the bandwagon, of which there isn't even one. You should thank your lucky stars this was shot down in australia. You have licenses, you have passports, what more does the government need? All that is needed is to arrest and PUNISH people who steal identities or the like. Rule of law, nothing else. Don't invite totalitarian control over a people that have struggled for independence for over 2,000 years.

[Brian]

ProMKD, if you re-read the article

Some experts fret police may be randomly scanning the population, using potentially intrusive techniques to search for criminals, sex offenders, and illegal aliens, but the manufacturer says that would be a difficult task for officers to carry out.

Sean Mullin, BI2's CEO, says it is difficult, if not impossible, to covertly photograph someone and obtain a clear, usable image without that person knowing about it, because the MORIS should be used close up.

"It requires a level of cooperation that makes it very overt -- a person knows that you're taking a picture for this purpose," Mullin said.

you will notice the device photographs and scans a persons retina and this means the device cannot be used covertly without the persons knowledge, so unless a police, and or census officer, gets you to stand still and look directly into the camera at close range, nothing happens - ie eg you cannot be identified simply by walking down the street.

General facial recognition software which can be used via security cameras is a different matter. Building up a database for this would not be hard (even in Australia) as the driver's licence photos, passport photos and arrest and prison photos are already in the government hands. This would cover a large part of the adult population in any country. Where photograph ID cards are used in a country, those individuals not picked up via the preceding methods would also be collected.

The advantage of facial or retina recognition software is that those individuals with false documents will be picked-out. For instance I have heard of people having multiple identities and documents for each of these identities. Whether the documents where falsely prepared externally or internally, via corruption, becomes irrelevant as the software matches duplicate faces and all documents linked to a face. Subversives can quickly be found and arrested.

You appear to be concerned about facial recognition software, yet do you know that such software was run on Facebook and all those photos you uploaded of yourself, and friends, have probably been scanned and you probable provided the names of your friends yourself. Ha ha - "what big eyes you have, Grandma." said Red Riding Hood to the Wolf. "All the better to see you with, my dear.", he replied.

At least this package (ie in the article) can only be used up close, so you know if you are letting anyone scan you or not.

The Albanians are extracting all sorts of privileges because of their so called 25%. Before we go too far down the hole, and wake up one day with autonomous parts with fully functioning government and organs calling for secession, lets expose their lies and claw-back those privileges obtained under false pretences. If I had a choice between being scanned and loosing half the country by swindle to some lying crooks, I would choose scanning in a blink without further thought precisely for the reason you mentioned

...a people that have struggled for independence for over 2,000 years.

We have come too far to loose it all in 25 or 30 years of independence.


Be truly Pro MKD, and don't be afraid if Big Bato is looking.

[ProMKD]

Brian, let's not poison this topic anymore, but we can both agree I'm sure, that there are much better and less-invasive yet equally effective ways of completing an accurate census without retina scans.

Big Bato is here, and if we don't fight against it, we are doomed. Yes, sounds like 'sci-fi conspiracy', but take a look around you and the society we live in is undeniable proof that this is reality. Pozdrav

[Brian]

So, according to Hashim Thaci, we cannot talk about splitting Kosovo into 2 equal parts, ever. Yet in other articles he says ethnic Albanians in Macedonia should have greater rights through decentralisation of power and self governing of local areas. Mmm...what's good for the goose is not good for the gander? And we are supposed to believe a 'Greater Albania' agenda is not being played?

The Wall Street Journal: Redrawing Kosovo’s border risks opening Pandora’s box

http://www.idividi.com.mk/english/world/723349/index.html

...

But while floating such ideas may indicate that a broader international policy change may be under way, redrawing Kosovo’s border risks opening the Balkan’s Pandora’s box, as it could provoke fresh calls for land swaps and border changes elsewhere in the region.

For exactly this reason, Kosovo’s prime minister Hashim Thaci told Swiss media this week that there will “be neither a border change nor land swap” in Kosovo. In the same interview he also refuted the idea that Kosovo’s Serbs should be granted a special status or autonomy.

[makedonche]

Brian
Coincidentally they may have accidentally(lol) discovered a way of igniting conflict at will! see below:-

But while floating such ideas may indicate that a broader international policy change may be under way, redrawing Kosovo’s border risks opening the Balkan’s Pandora’s box, as it could provoke fresh calls for land swaps and border changes elsewhere in the region.

[Niko777]

Tears of Joy in Tetovo for Prime Minister Berisha and Mother Albania

[Niko777]

Albanian PM Berisha: "This visit was characterized by a extremely emotional moment for me. Tetovo is a city that has done so much for our national history, a city that has the latest European martyrs for freedom and human dignity, a city of resistance that eventually made its contribution to free all Albanians, a city with universities that has become a true temple of knowledge."

[lavce pelagonski]

So his statement indirectly says well done in 2001.

[Soldier of Macedon]

Albanian PM Berisha: "This visit was characterized by a extremely emotional moment for me. Tetovo is a city that has done so much for our national history, a city that has the latest European martyrs for freedom and human dignity, a city of resistance that eventually made its contribution to free all Albanians, a city with universities that has become a true temple of knowledge."

European martyrs who carried out crimes against humanity and destabilised a country. The provocative comments that Sali Berisha has made, as head of a foreign state, is an insult to Macedonian sovereignty, and clearly in support of Albanian terrorist activities during 2001. I would be suprised if any Macedonian politician voices their concerns (if they have any), why would they after most if not all basically legitimised those crimes by recently voting in favour of amnesty to the terrorists.

[Risto the Great]

I was going to say that Macedonia is ripe for the taking. But I fear it has already been taken.