Albanianization in Macedonia

[Big Bad Sven]

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/albanians-in-montenegro-demand-separate-municipality

Will face the same fate as us, they will.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montenegro#Religious_structure

http://www.minorityrights.org/2646/montenegro/albanians.html

Notice a pattern here? They will play the victim card everywhere they go, whether it be Macedonia, Kosovo, Southern Serbia or Crna Gora. They know it works, it has been successful in the past, and with the backing of a powerful nation, they are untouchable in the region. Watch out Balkans.

I would love to see the shiptars start a little conflict in Crna Gora. It would possibly be a good wake up call to the rest of the balkan dummies on the dangers of shiptar expansion.

But it wont happen. The shiptars make up only less than 5% of the total population. Looks like crna gora are safe from greater albania

[Vangelovski]

Hi Alex_MK,

Do you have a link to this map? Much appreciated.

[George S.]

A school where Macedonian is not learned ,not even the Macedonian history. THe shptars learn of their heros in 2001 & devote monuments to them.If the shiptars had their way they would rename it to Illyria.

[Alex_MK]

renamed school in Skopje

[Alex_MK]

Notice a pattern here? They will play the victim card everywhere they go, whether it be Macedonia, Kosovo, Southern Serbia or Crna Gora. They know it works, it has been successful in the past, and with the backing of a powerful nation, they are untouchable in the region. Watch out Balkans.

Like it or not the Albanians fight for power and they are very assertive on their stance. Whether they are civilized in the manner they perform it is for another debate.... They are the opposite of Macedonians which are passive and laid back on issues in the ROM. Albanian youth are revolting while Macedonian youth are in kafanas, See the difference?

[George S.]

seceding of sovereignity toa minority is unheard of except Macedonia.The diddums are going to protest because they are victims.If that's all they going to do I wouldn't give them anything.If they got one thing the'll want another pretty soon they'll want the whole of Montenegro.THey aren't related to the illyrians at all.

[Volokin]

Montenegro Albanians Demand Own Municipality
About a hundred ethnic Albanians staged a protest on Sunday in Tuzi, near the capital, Podgorica, pressing demands for Tuzi to become a separate municipality.

The protest was organised by Albanian opposition parties, the Democratic Forum for Integration and the Democratic Alliance.

They claim that the government has been "abusing and discriminating against" local Albanians in Tuzi, where they form the majority community.

The protesters called on ethnic Albanian politicians to quit their positions in Montenegro's state institutions until Tuzi is granted the status of a municipality.

"The state has done nothing for the decentralization of Montenegro and for 24 years has ignored the demands of the Albanian parties," Besnik Donaj, from the Democratic Forum for Integration, said.

Sunday's protest was held ahead of the visit of Montenegrin Prime Minister Milo Djukanovic to the US, where some Albanian diaspora groups also announced a protest for April 8.

Some Albanians intend to protest in front of the US Congress against Prime Minister Djukanovic over what they call his "unfulfilled promises" regarding the status of Albanians in Montenegro.

The Montenegrin leader is to meet Vice-President Joseph Biden during the visit on April 8, mainly to discuss Montenegro's ambitions to join NATO.

Montenegro is hoping for an invitation at the NTO summit planned for Wales in the UK this autumn.

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/albanians-in-montenegro-demand-separate-municipality

Will face the same fate as us, they will.

. The Islamic religious life in Montenegro is organized by the Islamic Community of Montenegro. A majority of Albanians are Sunni Muslims, and in 2012 a protocol passed that recognises Islam as an official religion in Montenegro, ensures that halal foods will be served at military facilities, hospitals, dormitories and all social facilities; and that Muslim women will be permitted to wear headscarves in schools and at public institutions, as well as ensuring that Muslims have the right to take Fridays off work for the Jumu'ah (Friday)-prayer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montenegro#Religious_structure

Albanian community representatives also complain that even where classes are taught in Albanian, Albanian history and culture are not included in curricula.

http://www.minorityrights.org/2646/montenegro/albanians.html

Notice a pattern here? They will play the victim card everywhere they go, whether it be Macedonia, Kosovo, Southern Serbia or Crna Gora. They know it works, it has been successful in the past, and with the backing of a powerful nation, they are untouchable in the region. Watch out Balkans.

[Risto the Great]

They call it "Ilirida" and it's coming to a Macedonian village near you

Pretty much says it all.

[Alex_MK]

More images from Kichevo that are around a year old..





"Mother Albania"





Don't forget former KLA leader Ali Ahmeti is from this town. The Albanians have conquered the town and they have taken a good chunk of Macedonia.

They call it "Ilirida" and it's coming to a Macedonian village near you

[George S.]

yes one of them was in the communist party hoaxa I think he kicked out the muslim fanatical element from Albania.From what I heard the Albanians are SUPPORTING each other & its not unusual for women to have 6 to 10 kids.Thts why they were limited to what they could claim in social security before in the 1980's.I don't know the surrent situation now.??
You missed my 64$ question do you think the Albanians from Macedonia will link up with Kosovo??.Alex MK where are you from ? you seem to know your history on Albania?? by the way welcome to our forum.

[Alex_MK]

I think its enver roger the one who booted out the radical muslims to Macedonia.I'm not surprised that Arben zaferi wants a greater Albania .These simplistic fools feel that they can accomplish a takeover of Macedonia with ultimate links to Kosovo & beyond.They think that Greece also belongs to them.They still believe that they are of Illyrian Stock by the way they are wrong.The thing is its all driven by Albanian nationalism.

I don't know if you are doing it on purpose but his name is Enver Hoxha not Enver Rodger... That's what I'm trying to tell you. I also don't believe that he expelled Albanians as Albania closed it's borders. We must not forget that Albanians have an extremely high birth rate in Macedonia. I'm talking about an average of 2-3 kids per family or more while Macedonian families are having 1 kids and sometimes don't have any so they can try a live a more "luxurious" life...


PS, here's a video I found of Albanians claiming Kichevo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkL2yz6dvQ8

Not a Macedonian was seen that day...

[George S.]

I think its enver hoaxa the one who booted out the radical muslims to Macedonia.I'm not surprised that Arben zaferi wants a greater Albania .These simplistic fools feel that they can accomplish a takeover of Macedonia with ultimate links to Kosovo & beyond.They think that Greece also belongs to them.They still believe that they are of Illyrian Stock by the way they are wrong.The thing is its all driven by Albanian nationalism.I saw the video looks like they have taken over kichevo.Macedonians are saleep like heep.

[Alex_MK]

Nuri Seferi, boxer from Macedonia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaBjDnEFJtg

Except it looks like he wants nothing to do with Macedonia but with only Albania. Fights for Albanian flag, has a greater Albania map on his shorts, etc...

[Alex_MK]

toska the Albanians in Macedonia are what we call shiptars.These are people that were forced out by the enver roger communist regime.That's why most of Albania is catholic.You don't notice any mosques in Albania.These people were forced to flee in Macedonia ,Serbia,kosovo etc.They are very nationalistic.Even after they were thrown out of Albania they still think of it as the motherland.But they want what is not theirs they want Macedonia to be their homeland ultimately to link up with Kosovo.You got the ridiculous claims & agreements of minority such as Albanians wanting more rights which are in fact priveleges above the normal citizens.In other words short of secession but wanting control of parts of Macedonia more than 20% constituting Albanian.Also the notion of Albanian has been realised with mps speaking Albanian.The Albanians have got their way without doing much with politicians beating a pathway to their door & capitulating.It has been to our peril with Albanians wanting educational freedom and they are not learning our language or history.They have NO sympathy or respect for us Macedonians.Look at some of their flags draped over schools & houses.At omparison.The Albanians in one point politicians (Albanians )from Macedonia were addressed by sali berisha that he said to them compared to the Macedonians in Albania just as a reminder that they never had it so good.He was telling them to behave themselves as the Macedonians have really looked after them.That is a fact that the shiptars are enjoying more freedom than an ordinar Macedonians that's why they are labelled as victims & literally getting away with murder.
re shqiptar word
The origin of the ethnic name Shqiptar:
Gustav Meyer derived Shqiptar from the Albanian verbs shqipoj (to speak clearly) and shqiptoj (to speak out, pronounce), which are in turn derived from the Latin verb excipere, denoting brethren who speak the Albanian language, similar to the ethno-linguistic dichotomies Sloven-Nemac and Deutsch-Wälsch.[1] This is the theory also sustained by Robert Elsie.[2]
A theory by Ludwig Thallóczy, Milan Šufflay and Konstantin Jireček, which is today considered obsolete, derived the name from a Drivastine family name recorded in varying forms during the 14th century: Schepuder (1368), Scapuder (1370), Schipudar, Schibudar (1372), Schipudar (1383, 1392), Schapudar (1402), etc.
Maximilian Lambertz derived the word from the Albanian noun shqipe,or shqiponjë (eagle), which, according to Albanian folk etymology, denoted a bird totem dating from the times of Skanderbeg, as displayed on the Albanian flag.[3]
Petar Skok suggested that the name originated from Scupi (Albanian: Shkupi), the capital of the Roman province of Dardania (today's Skopje).[3]
A Slovenian theory states, that shqiptar (pronounced ship-tahr, "šiptar" in Slovenian) originates from the English word "shipping" (transporting, inporting), likely because of people and merchandise migration in and out of Albania.
Vladimir Orel suggested that:


Alb. Shqipe, Shqiptar etc. also reflects a late, post-classical form sclavus, a variant *skljab being reconstructable for Albanian. Orel (1998: 434) assumes that shqipe would be a

calque after the Slavic parallel slověne ‘Slavs’ as derived from slovo ‘word’, in Albanian
shqipoj ‘to speak clearly = to speak in our language’ – Shqipe, Shqiptar.[4]Sorin Paliga says that the ethnonym shqipe ‘Albanian’, shqip (adj.), proves that there is a link between the Sclaveni of the 5th century and modern Albanians. See a more

detailed discussion in Paliga and Teodor 2009: p. 80-84.

Use in South Slavic languages[edit]

The term Šiptar using across South Slavic languages (Cyrillic: Шиптар) is considered derogatory by Albanians in Serbian,[5][6][7] Macedonian,[8] and other South Slavic languages

Enver Roger? Lol? You mean Enver Hoxha?

PS, majority of the population in Albanian are either Muslim or non-religious. Reason why is because Enver "Rodger" clamped down on religion and declared Albania an atheist state while the Albanians in Yugoslavia used religion for their gain.

Have never heard of anything about Hoxha, who was born a muslim, forcing out muslims. The guy was a whacko but I don't believe he did anything like that.

Also many towns and villages in Southern Albania have slavic toponyms

[George S.]

toska that's why the communists in Albania got rid of them.THey all think they are doing it for the greater glory of a greater Albania.Will the Albanians meet their twain in Kosovo or will the twain never meet?? 64$ question.