Fight PODNEBESJETO FORCES AND FATHER of lies!
Interview
Metropolitan. Methodius :
The interview with Mr.. Methodius, bishop responsible for the American-Canadian Diocese of the MOC - OA and also member of the Holy Synod, was motivated by numerous speculations and rumors of problems in the diocese. Mr. Methodius set a seemingly arrogant questions to get you more detailed and precise answers, I sincerely thank and who publish in full. Of course, Mr. Methodius, one of the younger bishops put him in the MOC and general questions on the recognition of the MOC and the situation in III and in Macedonia in general.
- Visokopreosveshteni Lord, with your entry into this American-Canadian Diocese, at the beginning you said that your priority wil be collecting youth wing of the church. Since then spent five years and younger are not yet in the church. What is the problem, whether priests, in you or whatever? publicly stated at the "Macedonian Roots" Tv.makedonski hour, that in those churches where young priests have more young visitors. Was that the only reason to change the old priests?
d. Methodius : I have five years of constantly trying to explain what it means to live young in the Church. And in the Gospel the Lord says: Do not defend the children to come unto me! That does not mean that we the Church need to do Disneyland for young people to primamime zalazheme or to come and participate. They should voluntarily and of his choice and spiritual need to feel the Church as their home. First, young people entering the church, it means they can begin to regularly attend religious services regularly to fast and pray, to practice, ready to partake of the Lord Mysteries. Finally, I agree with your impression, simply because it is unfair to many of our young people actively involved in the liturgical life, active in church societies and dance sections, and even the church authorities, who sacrifice their time and energy , and conclude that in this respect nothing has changed. Is not it obvious evidence of this example and the current Vice President of Eparhiskoto Assembly, which is a very good young man, an intellectual and a believer. As for personnel policy in the diocese, I'll say only that everyone is given a chance to prove and show. I do not distinguish between young and old priests, but among the priests who have successfully performed the mission and those who abuse their position.
- Your priority was also introducing religious education in our churches. Except in a few larger churches, where once there was, in other churches is nowhere to be maintained. What's the problem, old or young priests, whether it is disobedience, and whose is it?
d. Methodius : And it's a symptom. It is obvious that in general we lack optimism. The introduction of religious instruction and the Macedonian language in church schools is a process and it can not, or should happen overnight. Where necessary facilities and Sunday schools are working at full steam. But there our communities where the majority of the members are elderly people, and where simply not enough children to form classes. Also, I think it should be no obstructions usmerime to develop the administrative work of the Diocese and filling the vacuum of the previous decades in terms of communication, information and obligations as institutions have to state precisely the states, so that we can use the help that society provides to nonprofit organizations. The idea is, instead of blaming each other and ask why things orderly wines do not go well, to begin pousrdno, so besides Sunday school course where there are conditions to organize and church nurseries and much more above all religious activities, which will cover all age groups. The media in particular can help in this, the current defeatism zameninme to properly inform and obnaroduvanje very useful such initiatives.
- Do you think the traditional church gatherings to introduce new content, especially in the spiritual sphere?
d. Methodius : One such innovation is the church choirs smotrata that 3-4 years ago have introduced. Certainly we need to understand that the joint in the Church and the activities gravitate around the Church. Well, everything that we do not have a dominant spiritual and moral character. It excludes, of course, patriotic, sporting and cultural activities.
Innuendo to show disunity in the Church
- Your deacon Stephen banner on a public rally before more people and priests said that in this diocese will have more and Stefanovci Kirilovci. What does that mean? Are these previous hierarchs did nothing for this diocese priests or set wrong, so you now rectify their mistake?
d. Methodius : Absolutely wrong conclusion. First, the deacon Stephen neither position nor expressed something like this. Obviously, someone responds with false and malicious insinuations of the people meant to display any disunity in the top of the Church and to denigrate the excellent cooperation and personal friendship we cherish each other with His Eminence and grandfather Cyril . Especially with them, but with all the other brothers in the Holy Synod of Hierarchs. You should spend time digging that propaganda against the unity of our people and our Church.
- What are your plans with Archimandrite Arsenie who brought from Strumica and set in New York? Why are priests leave their jobs, and bring your people from Macedonia and whether it corresponds to the previous question?
d. Methodius : Archimandrite Arsenius came to America as the Strumica diocese clergy to pursue doctoral studies. Moreover, in the Church and your not my man, we are all Christ. His setting for the pastor of the parish in Queens is in compliance with the personnel policy that I as the bishop responsible AKMPE have in office. Priests currently on his parish without fault, nor want, and can not legally act as priests in America. If you care, you need to cater for all, and Archimandrite mentioned should not be an exception.
- Why America brought in a priest who was Vraniskovski apostate? Do not you fear that it can be done as another error with it, so you get a situation in the diocese to secede from the MOC?
d. Methodius : All clergy who seceded with apostate Vraniskovski been defrocked by the MOC and no place for them in the Church. That cleared things and these are only harmful misinformation.
And for me the price is too high Evangileieto
- A one and a half, for providing new Gospel of our churches, which are chargeable after $ 500.00. Did you think it is not to say, audacious high price for this people? Anyway, please let us explain the logic as it has come to the price of the Gospel?
d. Methodius : The logic is very simple. Cost is made on consensus and voting Eparhiskoto diocesan Assembly and Executive Board. Maliciously sound and intonation even myself that I had something to someone charged. We are serious Diocese and should respect each other and the world does not respect and recognize. Although personally I think it is set too high a price.
- We hear that in Canada and America are collecting signatures against your performance against your decisions that you make, you do not agree with what was written against you. Therefore, you have immediate priests in Detroit called an extraordinary meeting and you are ordered to immediately take measures to deny this letter as untrue . What is truth and what untruth in all this ? Finally, in the Church, probably allowed a not dogmatic thinking if it comes to religion, but about organizational matters, right?
d. Methodius : What happened in Detroit was a regular session of the diocesan Executive Board and the meeting was attended by all members of the EUO. It is not a collection of priests by command or function in the meeting was to talk about writing. The meeting came a resolution that condemned the above letter as misleading, especially after it began to circulate, many signed the petition addressed to me or through personal phone calls and letters apologize and confirm that they were forged their signatures. This letter was not signed and is a decent act of perjury and arbitrariness that some of the ecclesiastical authorities of his meetings condemned even before that to do EUO. But we do not fight with ordinary things, but by forces podnebesjeto and the father of lies.
- Master Visokopreosveteni Why go every year in Macedonia three times and sit for two months? The apartment and all the expenses you paid on time. You are a member of the Holy Synod of the MOC, our information tells you never or rarely attend meetings Sinodskite. Why? And right you think that your absence from nearly six months a year to make large expenditures of the Diocese and our churches. Some of us, believers have the feeling that you do not understand that it is useful to sit here and resolve problems through our many churches, which in fact, believers and we pay you and priests?
d. Methodius : Me and the priests of this diocese I've make a living wage and do not deserve to be treated as mercenaries. It shows how little we have self-esteem. I go to Macedonia twice a year when we have plenary sessions of the Holy Synod, to which all the hierarchs need to attend. To discuss the presence or absence my sessions is insolence. I as a member of the Synod has committed and work well in committees and working groups, and individual responsibilities, and my going to Macedonia officially. The money paid for my accommodation is part of my salary and it should not be subject to charshiski gossip.
- What specific things Vashot deacon? Can not his job to take some of the parish priests do not have?
d. Methodius , nor deacon can work clerical work, nor vice versa. It has been established by the canons of the Holy Orthodox Church.
Do not justify breaking the fast
- As a hierarch, that is your opinion about fasting? We see that allow dirty dishes during the fast and did not react and did not oppose it. Line of least resistance, or have other, theological explanation?
d. Methodius : I bless disruption of fasting and insisted he absolutely be respected. And not just in fast food mrsnata, but fasting in lying and gossiping, perjury and fasting in hatred. Fasting is a means salvational human life. But fasting is also an expression of free will. And the Gospel says: He who fasts shall not condemn those who do fast and vice versa. Each will be responsible for their actions before God. Christianity is a faith in free people.
- When you go to vizitacija our churches across America and Canada and performs sacred worship, why take money from churches, which also pay your hotel bills? Did you pay by the Diocese, you have to use a car and you paid. Is it not contrary to yours, even as a monk, renunciation of avarice and whether it is against the material as irrelevant to the Church and especially its top officials?
d. Methodius : Even I'm embarrassed to hear such a lie. I for my visits to our churches, I never asked for money. He blames me for his avarice takes great sin of the soul. May God forgive him for that.
- With your coming to this duty, rather than solve problems, create new look. Could you explain that?
d. Methodius : The problems solved and created, but what worries me is the fact that the very widespread sport in our communities is more competition which will offend the bishop or priests. The church is a living organism is impossible no problems, just need all the mutual respect and good will to want to solve them. Otherwise if you teach it in advance, then if God himself came down to earth, He would be crucified again.
- When they came to this diocese as new parishes organize and where?
d. Methodius : The organization of new municipalities is not tied to my desires and ambitions, but the specific features of konkreni initiative committees. We have more churches in formation, but strategically wrong to open new fronts the first to take care of existing ones. Currently, the most important thing is to concentrate on reviving the churches in Florida, Arizona, in Montreal, etc., to be prepared for future extensions.
We should be concerned about external recognition of the MOC
- Are generally MOC-OA has entered into a severe spiritual crisis? Bishop Peter scandals in Australia are well known. Here also we have big problems though not to so sharp. In Macedonia the skandlot Vraniskovski not forget, because he was appointed bishop in exactly protezheata Holy Synod. The church has repeatedly proved to be excellent with every koketa power. And in communist and "democratic." Not once, not one bishop did not speak of poverty and unemployment that tishti people, which is the product of the authorities. Public kitchens and possibly other assistance are more the exception than the rule, and many of the bishops of the SAS, even the lower clergy, still enjoy great material wealth ..?
d. Methodius : fan passions are high, but is not sure whether to cheer or Samson the lion. Things can always be shown and made black by this, but it does not serve our integrity as a church and as people. I already use with the parable of the holy man Paisios of Mount Athos. That human-fly and man-bee. If we want to see only evil, only evil and only seen in this world, it is our personal choice. Finally in the Gospel says: the world of evil lies. But in this world there are many pros and has a fundamental basis for optimism. This particularly applies to us Christians. Himself creating heaven and hell still here on earth. God's call should be aware not to be good and not to touch anything that will not be polluted.
- Are there bishops in SAS that reflect, in accordance with the canons and Eastern Orthodoxy, not to seek recognition from the SOC already on our holy Church? Finally, scholars know the truth, and everything else is politics. In such conditions, if you thought the union and communion with other Orthodox churches not recognized?
d. Methodius : These are two separate issues. First, the public and is well known that the SPC is currently occurring major internal turmoil and divisions. They are not willing to deal with foreign affairs for them when they have internal problems. In that sense, when one side has no capacity for negotiation, negotiations can not continue, and with them the denouement. Second, the MPC is in canonical position much better than any other recognized churches and fellowship with them we would only put a damper on those positions. We are a Church of apostolic preemsvo and if you have respect and recognize themselves, should not be afraid of recognition from the outside. And this primarily means keeping the original Orthodox faith as we passed by the holy apostles.
- As seen on church leadership lustration in Macedonia?
d. Methodius : I could only speak in my name because I am not entitled to any official opinion of the MOC SAS on this issue. Time anti-Macedonian propaganda and assimilationist policies of previous occupation once and for all ages to stop. In this sense, the example of all ex-communist countries, the law of lustration is extremely important catalyst to the process of clearing and the impact of defense against those who today do not want good for Macedonia. There should be no exemptions and exceptions to institutions and individuals in the application of this law.
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Macedonians Abroad Request Immediate Annulment of Interim Accord
Wednesday, 07 September 2011
Jurists who have been consulted by the Macedonian government in relation to lawsuit against Greece before the Hague-based International Court of Justice must draw up a legal syllogism – proof, but what the government had accepted as legal arguments in this case is lack of knowledge.
This is the keynote of a column written by Marjan Popeski, lawyer and expert in international law, in which he clarifies his idea that Macedonia should file a motion for invalidation of the 1995 Interim Accord between Macedonia and Greece. His proposal has already won backing by Canada-based Committee for Democratization of Macedonia, which brought up an initiative to prove the meaninglessness of the interim deal.
The committee posted the motion to three legislators in the Macedonian parliament representing the Diaspora and they are expected to bring up the issue at a session.
The Ohrid-born lawyer claims the interim accord between Macedonia and Greece is not in line with the concept of jus cogens norms in the United Nations Charter, thus it is meaningless (Article 53 of the Vienna Convention on the Law on Treaties). Consequently, Article 5 of the Interim Accord is a meaningless norm and hence the interim consent is voided and has no legal action.
Furthermore, he quotes extracts from the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties. The Convention provides (Article 53) that a treaty will be void if, at the time of its conclusion, it conflicts with a peremptory norm of general international law.
Jus cogens, the literal meaning of which is "compelling law," is the technical term given to those norms of general international law that are argued as hierarchically superior. The power of a state to make treaties is subdued when it confronts a super-customary norm of jus cogens.
The bottomline of Popeski's column is that „groudless intterim accord has no legal action and that Macedonia doesn't have to change its name.“
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On Bishops, faith and military missions!
By J.S.G. Gandeto
We will not exaggerate if we state that USA is one of the most religious countries in the world. We will not be off the mark either if we state that religious values, traditions and customs have permeated into almost every sphere of our diverse culture. As a matter of fact, the people of The United States are not only assured their religious rights and freedom to safely pursue their religious affiliations, but more importantly, they also have those rights guaranteed by the first amendment of our constitution along with the freedom of speech and freedom of the press. Our founding fathers made sure that the government shall have no control over religion nor shall religious institutions receive government assistance: thus defining the separation of church and state. Only through such separation, they thought, and rightly so, can the people of the United States enjoy their continued religious liberties.
Consequently, the religious spectrum in this country is so diverse and so colorful that it became a vital and inseparable component of our identity and culture.
Here, I will not dwell on the importance of religion upon our lives; that should be the sanctuary of every individual or group of individuals to secure for themselves free and unimpeded pursuit of spiritual happiness as they see fit. I believe that each of us separately, obtains and derives varied spiritual experiences as we visit our religious institutions. We obtain and enrich those experiences as we interact with our fellow believers and as we reflect upon the impact of those experiences, we harmonize the content of the received sermons with our daily life’s challenges.
Mine is not to judge the values received from such an interaction; mine is to accept and recognize the right of every individual to take away and retain for himself what that person deems important and beneficial to him and to dispose or to part company with things that do not coincide with his convictions.
Personally, I expect, after visiting my church, to come away content with a touch of reassurance in my faith, that the guidance from my Lord and the path I have chosen to follow are righteous. I would like to feel convinced that the sermon delivered by my priest reflects the teachings of our Lord and that the faith and the belief in the goodness of all men is preserved, reaffirmed and accentuated. I would like also, after receiving the sermon from my priest, to be able to readjust my thoughts, to recalibrate my standards and to reaffirm my faith in those who take the pulpit in front of me. In other words, I would like to walk away enriched by his sermon, to feel invigorated and recharged, to feel cleansed and uplifted.
But what I do not expect, what I do not want to hear, what I do not want to experience, what I do not want to believe in, is a sermon that preaches hate, a sermon that preaches intolerance, a sermon that insights violence and a sermon that calls for destruction of property and lives of our fellow man. That is what I do not want to witness ever being propagated by my priest.
Let me be more specific.
Recently the Metropolitan Bishop of the Greek Orthodox Diocese of Thessaloniki (Salonika), Anthimos, delivered to his parishioners in his sermon and called on his followers to board buses and go with him to Florina (Lerin), to destroy a radio station.
Why, you ask? For a simple reason that the station’s broadcast will be in the Macedonian language. This is the religious leader of a Christian faith, the second senior Metropolitan in the Greek Orthodox Church, who exhorts his faith followers to violence and calls for a destruction of property that belongs to the ethnic Macedonian minority living in Greece.
But what makes this episode a newsworthy piece of information is not that this person makes a mockery of his proclaimed religious devotion; it is not his myopic indulgence in violence, not even his prejudice-filled sermon—this is not his first time we know of him putting his hate-filled foot in his equally toxic mouth—but the fact that he takes it upon himself to regulate and even execute (outside the law), administrative and judicial matters. He intends to participate in the destruction of the radio station; he is the one who sees no other recourse but to personally go there and destroy everything in the station to “broken glass and nails”.
Imagine a Catholic priest in United States calling on his followers to go and destroy a radio station in town, simply because its programs will be broadcasted in the Spanish language. Can anyone out there comprehend the scope and the enormity of indignation that will reverberate throughout our country? Can anyone out there picture the intensity of the revolt that will ensue following such an act? It is really unconscionable to even think, let alone understand, the gravity of such an outrageous call.
Let us read the sermon before we attempt to understand the reasoning behind such a preposterous call by a high ranking Greek religious leader:
“In the difficulties and storms we face in our lives, as I mentioned before, those we have next to us are included. I do not say this myself, it is in a prestigious newspaper, and I am saying also its name . . . is "The Investor's World" of last Sunday's issue. You cannot read it from there, I am showing it with the newspaper, so you will not think this is a rumor or something we invented . . . I will tell you, because you cannot read it from a distance . . . "in preparation is a radio station of the Skopians [sic] in Greece". Do you hear that? And also those who are watching us, do you hear that? "Representatives self-defining as Macedonians announced through a newspaper in Fyrom [sic] that they have already got a license and are preparing to broadcast in their idiom [sic]. The president of the Florina municipality district of Meliti, Panagiotis Anastasiadis, who likes to be named also with a Skopian name [sic], announced a radio station that will broadcast in the slav-Macedonian idiom [sic]". On the top there is the internet address of the newspaper that announces the operation of such radio station. What can I say to you? The newspaper is valid, and here, this guy has made a statement and is about an interview he gave to a Skopian [sic] newspaper: "The member of the Rainbow Party and president of the municipal district of Meliti Panagiotis Anastasiadis or, as he likes to be named, Pande Ashlakov" who among other statements against Greece and some against us, is saying that "We are ready, we have the license ready and we will take it and start the broadcasting of the radio station." Is this possible, I ask you? Can we Greeks go and make radio stations in any Balkan country or any other? What's happening here? We have some of those who were left here since the Civil War period, as we call it, that difficult period, who did not leave to the other side and stayed here with us, they have, of course, Greek origin and live here but were brought up for many years with their conditions. So, those who stayed here or who took care to stay here, are now revolting and are instigated from abroad by the Skopian [sic] propaganda, together with the other things they are doing, like statues, etc. and are trying to create this issue . . . They will make also a TV station. And now I beg and ask this moment: Mr. president of the region of Central Macedonia, because they are saying they will address to all Macedonians and also the Thessalonikians, their announcement says, Mr. president of the region of Western Macedonia, gentlemen of the remaining secretariat of the Ministry of Macedonia and Thrace we had but was abolished (I complained then to Mr. Papandreou, and he told me "no, we will have a substitute". What substitute, there is nothing!). To whom we can address to tell us what is going to be with this? That is why we address to the Ministry of Interior and deputy ministers relevant to the media to tell us: is it true, such a radio station will be become in Meliti and by which the Skopian [sic] propaganda will be broadcast inside Greece, so they will create an issue in Macedonia, yes or no? If it is yes, then I and the youth, and anyone who wants to, I will say it like I feel it, I do not know what will happen, if we say yes and they do it, at least 40-50 buses must go there and together with our brothers in Florina and Meliti, we will destroy everything into broken glass and nails. Otherwise it is not possible to do the job differently . . .”
Let’s see if we can break it down and shed some light on it:
(1) “those who we have next to us are included”, refers to the ethnic Macedonians as part of the storm and identifies them as the culprits for the difficulties in their (Greek) lives.
(2) "in preparation is a radio station of the Skopians [sic] in Greece". The radio station of the “Skopians” in actuality is the station of the ethnic Macedonians living in Greece. They are the ones who have requested and are about to receive a permit to operate a radio station. This would be tantamount to, let us say for example, a minority group of Salvadorians requesting permission to open a radio station in their language in the USA. “Skopians” is the term he pejoratively uses for the people from the Republic of Macedonia.
(3) “to broadcast in their idiom”. By idiom he means language but because of prejudice and hate he reduces the Macedonian language to just an “idiom”, something of a diminished quality, and something of a lesser stature.
(4) “The president of the Florina municipality district of Meliti, Panagiotis Anastasiadis, who likes to be named also with a Skopian name [sic], announced a radio station that will broadcast in the slav-Macedonian idiom.”
Here, Anthimos inadvertently admits that the president of the Florina municipality likes to be named with a “Skopian name”, meaning his own original Macedonian name, forgetting in the process that perhaps, it was his predecessor who forced the conversion of his name into a Greek sounding one.
(5) He is accusing the president of the Florina municipality of making statements against Greece because he said: “we are ready to start the broadcast”.
Perhaps in Anthimos’ mind it must have sounded like: we are ready to start the revolution.
(6) “We have some of those who were left here since the Civil War period, as we call it, that difficult period, who did not leave to the other side and stayed here with us…”
You can almost feel the sadness oozing out of his thoughts as he reflects on the missed opportunity to drive the ethnic Macedonians out of the occupied territories. “Who did not leave”, (reminiscing regretfully), as they were being “politely nudged”, by burning their villages and killing off their inhabitants to go across the border.
(7) “So, those who stayed here or who took care to stay here, are now revolting.”
In other words, this ethnic Macedonians who were not driven out and who, despite all the repressive measures undertaken by the Greek government to exterminate them (yes, you read it correctly “exterminate” them), have survived, “are now revolting” by having a radio station that will broadcast news in their own language.
Wow! One would exclaim being stupefied by such a revolt against the Greek government. This Greek defender of democracy forgot to charge the ethnic Macedonians living in Greece, with another crime against Greece, namely using oxygen—a Greek invention and property—which naturally, is reserved for the Greeks by genus only.
(8) Those who stayed here “were brought up for many years with their condition.”
Perhaps, you are curious to know what he meant by “brought up for many years with their condition?” The “condition” he is referring to is the universal right called self identification which, to the Greek government is analogous to an infectious disease, a plague that ought to be avoided under any circumstances. That is the “condition” with which the ethnic Macedonians living in Greece are infected with.
(9) He appeals to the Ministry of the Interior to find out the truth about this radio station. If it is true then he wants:
“with the youth and anyone who wants to, with 40-50 buses must go there and together with our brothers in Florina and Meliti, we will destroy everything into broken glass and nails. Otherwise it is not possible to do the job differently . . .”
This is the second highest senior member of the Greek Orthodox Church who personally intends to lead a mob of volunteers on a mission to destroy everything into broken glass and nails of someone else’s private property. This is a religious leader whom you go to on Sundays to receive blessings from and into whose hands you have entrusted your children’s teachings and indoctrination into your Christian faith. Just for a moment pause, take a deep breath and reflect upon the gravity, upon the enormity and upon the consequences of such a call.
I am almost sure that we have witnessed similar calls for actions by other leaders of a different faith. I am also sure that your reaction to such calls was one of a total dismay and complete revulsion.
But one should not be surprised to hear statements from this religious leader that defy logic. Anthimos, the Metropolitan Bishop of the Greek Orthodox Church in Thessaloniki (Solun), has shown his true colors in a few other occasions before.
On November 5, 2007, the Associate Press quoted him as saying: “Macedonia is Greece”. He also demanded that parts of it which are still missing should be “returned” to Greece, clearly referring to the part of Macedonia that belongs to the Republic of Macedonia.
He is on record claiming that “Macedonians as an ethnic group do not exist.”
Well then, your holiness, the disseminator of the God’s faith, if you claim that ethnic Macedonians do not exist, then, you do not have to undertake a military mission to search and destroy the radio station “to glass and nails” because there are no listeners as such.
Who are these infected with “their condition” people going to broadcast their “propaganda” to, if there are no listeners to receive it?
I find his behavior highly problematic. I find his views and attitude incomprehensible and deplorable for a simple reason: he is a religious leader, a man of God, a person with prestige and influence; a person entrusted with propagating the Orthodox faith. His preaching can have lasting impressions with far reaching consequences. As a member of the Orthodox faith I am embarrassed by his attitude and behavior.
My final thoughts:
To place the aforementioned episode of this Greek Metropolitan Bishop Anthimos in a proper context and measure the severity of prejudice and hate imbedded in its content, one ought to take the following realities into consideration: (a) that such malicious action is directed towards other fellow Christians in a supposedly “democratic” country and a member of the European Union, (b) that this episode is not some unverifiable occurrence from the middle ages, but happens today in an era of high technological advances in communications when almost everything gets exposed immediately, and (c) it is a call to physical destruction of property not by a law enforcement personnel but by a leader of the church.
And now, imagine if you will what these Greek religious leaders have done to the Macedonian minority in Greece in the early years of this century, when practically nobody was watching.
It should be born in mind that the salary of this bishop, who calls for destruction of somebody else’s property, is paid by the Greek government. Such is the life in today’s democratic Greece.
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Macedonia expects foreign investment wave
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He gets elected by his constituents (Chinese) and only they can vote him out off office. NO SPEAK ENGLISHOriginally posted by George S. View PostLast edited by Makedonska_Kafana; 08-30-2011, 07:37 AM.Leave a comment:
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why can't they get rid of MP Karygiannis.wh is it so hard after all he's done & is doing.Leave a comment:
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37th ANNUAL NORTH AMERICAN MACEDONIAN CONVENTION
CAMBRIDGE ONTARIO CANADA
SEPTEMBER 2 - 4, 2011
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MP Karygiannis accused of berating civil servants (Aug 26, 2011)
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External Affairs – Ottawa
Athens , April 27, 1948
No. 87. Following for D.M.I. from Military Attach, Begins:
M.A. 28. Civil war period 12th to 26th April.
1. Rebel activity still widespread. Looting, sabotage, recruiting raids continue, especially Poloponnese. Few major rebel incidents, mainly Peloponnese . First phase G.N.A. general offensive commenced April 15th in Roumeli area.
Operation given code word “dawn”.
2. Minor rebel activity confined to sabotage of road-rail communications, especially Peloponnese , shelling communication Northern Greece , looting and recruiting raids all areas, especially Peloponnese . Rebel units Voulgara area, X88, reported moving northwest, probable due to operation “dawn”. Being pursued by G.N.A. commando units. April 11th, strong rebel band attacked Kalavrita, c.9760, killed or captured entire garrison of two N.D.C. companies. G.N.A. drove rebels out of town and clashes continue in Mount Aroania area, D. 04.
3. G.N.A. operations in Khaicsidiki are peninsula east of Salonica and in Papadhes area, K. 9817, resulted in considerable rebel casualties and kept them on the move. April 13th, G.N.A. clashes with band of 500 strong in Mount Khasia area, S. 96, and captured 134 rebels. G.N.A. generally taking more offensive attitude. April 15th, operation “dawn” commenced with three divisions. Embassy cable No. 79 of April 16th refers. April 25th, G.N.A. units closing ring had reached general line X.9317.
Fleece No. 212
February 6, 1945
For Foreign Secretary from Foreign Office
Please refer to paragraph 9 of FLEECE 89 reporting the Soviet Government’s view on Yugoslav-Bulgarian federation.
2. Tito has been careful not to give us a hint of negotiations for Yugoslav-Bulgarian pact of alliance and mutual understanding, and in reply to our representations has confined himself to an assurance that federation is not an immediate probability. There have, however, been so many recent signs of friendship between the two countries that this development, however unwelcome, does not come as a surprise.
3. It seems to us here that most of the disadvantages seen in respect of a federation apply to a lesser degree to a pact is intended to be the first step towards a federation. If a pact were concluded, Bulgaria would escape from much of the treatment which she deserves of a defeated enemy and the reactions on the position of Greece would be unfavourable. We think that we should take the line that an enemy state under an armistice regime is debarred from entering into special treaty relations with another state, especially with which she is still technically in a state of war, except with the explicit permission of the victorious powers with whom it concluded the armistice; and that we should insist on full reparation being made to Greece before Bulgaria may conclude the projected alliance.
4. It would be a great help if you could arrange for this subject of Yugoslav-Bulgarian relations to be discussed at the present meeting. You will remember that the U.S. Government have not yet given their views in reply to our request.
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Foreign Office - January 1945
My telegram No. 4886 to Moscow .
In the light of Belgrade telegrams Nos. 47 and 88 and your telegram No. 108, you will see from my telegram No. 85 to Belgrade that we have now instructed Brigadier Maclean to make to Tito a communication on the lines foreshadowed in paragraph 3 of my telegram under reference. You should also immediately inform the Bulgarian Government of the views of H.M.G. on the following lines:
While H.M.G would welcome a confederation between all the Balkan States, both Allied and enemy and including possibly Turkey , they could not approve an exclusive union of federation between Yugoslavia and Bulgaria . Moreover while H.M.G are prepared to agree to the creation of a Macedonian State in the future federal Yugoslavia they would be strongly opposed to the creation of a Greater Macedonian State involving claims on Greek territory. They therefore look with disfavour on the activities of Macedonian propagandists in Bulgaria which the Bulgarian Government appear to have condoned and they do not recognize the right of the Bulgarian Government to transfer without the consent of the United Nations any part of Bulgarian territory to the Yugoslav federal State of Macedonia.
My telegram No.10823 of 28th December:
His Majesty's Government's view on Macedonian question and Yugoslav Bulgarian federation.
Tito, who has not yet been notified of views of His Majesty's Government, has expressed himself in conversation with Maclean as opposed to a Yugoslav-Bulgarian federation at the present time. Question arose over a report which had reached Tito that General Velebit his representative in London had informed the press that Albania and Bulgaria would join the new Yugoslav Federal State . After reference to London Maclean informed Tito on 8th January that there appeared to be no truth in the report. Tito expressed relief and went on to say that, although he did not exclude the possibility of an eventual extension of Yugoslav federation at some period in the future, there was no question of either Bulgaria or Albania entering into any federal union with Yugoslavia at present. In case of Bulgaria in particular Tito was not ready for such a step. As he had pointed out to a Bulgarian delegation who had visited him the day before with polite messages the Bulgarians had, on several occasions in the past, sworn eternal friendship to the Serbs but this had not prevented them from turning on them and massacring them at first opportunity. It would take the Serbs some time to forget the behaviour of Bulgaria in three wars.
At the same time there was no point in perpetuating such enmity, and, if good relations could be achieved, it would be to everyone's advantage.
2. This assurance taken with the assurance in regards to Greek Macedonia reported in telegraph 2 of my telegram under reference indicates that at any rate for the present Tito’s views on these questions are substantially in conformity with those of His Majesty’s Government.
3, I am anxious that to avoid the risk of subsequent misunderstandings our views should be communicated formally to Tito, the Yugoslav Government in London and the Bulgarian Government as soon as possible. On the other hand I should not like to do so before being assured that these views are not materially at variance with those of the United States Government and Soviet Government. I suggest therefore that you should communicate the gist of the foregoing paragraph to the State Department and inform the Commissariat for Foreign Affairs that we propose to notify Tito, the Yugoslav Government and the Bulgarian Government of the views of His Majesty’s Government on 18th January (repeat 18th January) unless we hear before then that the United States and Soviet Governments see objection to this procedure.Leave a comment:
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