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Australia’s official stance on Macedonia

By J.S.G. Gandeto

Rebutal

Even though I prefer to open my article with a suitable phrase - to grab your immediate attention - this time, I will begin my story with an impromptu question: If you ever find yourself in a time squeeze and are not sure how to proceed or how to react to a given situation, would you:

(a) Do what seems natural to you.
(b) Do what the majority of the people before you have done already.
(c) Take the advice of a fellow who has vested interest in the outcome or
(d) Consult as many scholars/experts on the field as possible before you make your decision.

Obviously, your first initial approach would be to read and understand the question being asked. Second, you would read and analyze the choices given. Next, you would eliminate some of the choices and finally, you would focus on one that, in your opinion, makes the most sense regarding the essence of the question being asked.

Considering the choices given:

Choice (a): Most likely you would not select choice "a" because the question does not allude to things being done instinctively, or on the spur of a moment without some consideration.

Choice (c): Chances are that you would stay away from this one because you may get suspicious and may question this fellow's hidden agenda or motives.

Choice (d): You would decline selecting choice "d" on the strength of the "time squeeze" constraint emphasized within the question itself, thus, the urgency of the decision to be made will preclude its selection. Here, the contrast is obvious; you do not have the luxury of time to indulge yourself in a time consuming research to consult all the experts in the field.

Therefore, your choice most likely would be "b"; do what the majority of people have done already.

In the article "Australia's official stance on the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM)" from September 13, sent to the American Chronicle by the so-called Australian Macedonian Advisory Council and written by certain Paul Kiritsis, their Executive Director, we find the following advice given to the Australian community in advance of the Republic of Macedonia's Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski's visit to Australia scheduled for late October.

He is concerned that you, the citizens of Australia, could "erroneously" call the Republic of Macedonia by its constitutional name and not refer to her by the awkward and insulting acronym-imposed by Greece-Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.

Since Mr. Kiritsis feels that:

"Many Australians have been misled by this continuous propaganda, their ignorance of history, unwillingness to take initiative and educate themselves, lack of conscientiousness and to an extent, anomalous inertness on the part of the Greeks, who remained calm and assured the past few decades because they supposed a culture based on erroneous beliefs could not possibly evade extinction. As a result, a climate conducive to dangerous activities has proliferated surreptitiously in both in Australia and abroad", he would like to prepare you and offer a lesson in history.

Since he finds you ignorant of history, unwilling to take initiative and educate yourselves and since you lack consciousness, he, Kiritsis takes it upon himself to educate, enlighten and advise you how to think and how to act when the Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski from the Republic of Macedonia visits Australia in October.

In his letter of advice to you, the usual Greek propaganda lines are being repeated- ad nauseum- again. He is cautioning you not to offend the Greeks living in Australia by referring to Republic of Macedonia according to her constitutional name. In other words, you need not do what majority of the world's countries have done already; pay no heed to 126 countries of the world among which are: USA, Canada, Britain, China, India, Russia, Brazil and the rest, but rather listen to these Greeks who, with their incessant peevish complaints, have become the laughing stock of Europe.

In their overzealousness to appropriate the inheritance of the Ancient Macedonians and portray them as "Greeks", modern Greeks have demonstrated utter contempt not only for your intelligence and wisdom but also for the leading scholars of the world past and present. They have betrayed the writings of their "own" nineteenth century historians who saw the ancient Macedonians not as brethren but as conquerors of Greece (Roudometof 2000). They have unscrupulously usurped the reporting of the ancient Greek biographers themselves whose description of Greece never included the kingdom of Macedon . To them the boundaries of Greece extended from the Ambracian Gulf in the south to the river Peneus in the north (Strabo, Scylax, Dichaerchus, Scymnus, Dionysius). Are they also suggesting that Isocrates, in his letter to King Philip of Macedon, lied when he told Philip that his "ancestors left Greece entirely and found their kingdom among the people of non-kindred race"? Moreover, weren't the ancient Greeks pleading with the Romans to force King Philip V to evacuate from Greece ? (Pol. 16 and 18; Diod. 28. 5ff.; Livy 31-33; Plut. Flamininus). And when Rome defeated the Macedonians didn't they proclaim the liberation of all the Greek cities? (Polybius, xviii,46,5).

Numerous epitaphs do testify and serve as a somber reminder that Ancient Macedonians and the Ancient Greeks were two distinct and quite antagonistic neighbors who were embroiled in constant squabbles and disputes ranging from territorial disagreements to form and style of government. Consider the following epitaph for the ancient Greek hero Demosthenes:

“O, Demosthenes, if your strength was equal to your wisdom, Greece would have never been enslaved by a Macedonian Ares.”

Or perhaps you prefer these few preserved lines that unambiguously testify to the veracity of our claim regarded the ancient Macedonians as brethren:

“With the fallen Hellenes at Chaeronea was buried the freedom of Greece.”

No amount of propaganda can erase the meaning of these lines; Greeks at Chaeronea were fighting the Macedonians "to safeguard the liberty of Hellas ". No amount of half-truths can suffice and overcome these incontrovertible facts; Ancient Macedonians conquered the ancient Greeks and kept them under the Macedonian yoke for centuries. Garrisons, which are sure sign of servitude, are not stationed in your own country; "As long as Chalcis , Corinth and Demitrius, the fetters of Greece , are garrisoned by the Macedonians, there will be no freedom for the Greeks."

In lieu of these and plethora of other irrefutable facts how do you justify your claim that Macedonia was always Greek? What idiosyncratic sinister drives possessed your soul to assume that lies can be passed over as truth? Or do you suppose, with your twisted logic, that others are ignorant, uneducated and without conscience (I forgot that you do) and that you, perched on your broken Greek marble, can dispose the truth as you see fit?

(Do you ever consider that your pervasive and barbaric attacks on our Macedonian identity will have lasting and negative, detrimental consequences for generations to come and that your bigoted, racist attitude towards our ethnicity has planted seeds of mistrust, prejudice and hate to last another five hundred years? When will you grow up? When will you realize and come to your senses that we, the ethnic Macedonians want nothing from you that does not belong to us. Is asking for permission to visit the graveyards of our beloved departed grandparents too much? Is asking to be allowed to freely use our Macedonian language at home and in schools too hard to comprehend? And when we declare that we are ethnic Macedonians, is it really up to you to decide what we can or cannot call ourselves?).

I am profoundly puzzled as to how you Greeks present these facts to your students? Will you ever reconcile and tell the truth for once? Aren't you the only country in the world that celebrates its conqueror?

Be reminded that slogans history do not make. Be reminded that historical truth presented to serve domestic market will not find a fertile ground abroad. You can twist the truth, slip and slide around the facts, lie to your own people and demonize your neighbors but at the end you will suffer the inevitable defeat; you will drown into your own manipulative lies.

Mr. Kiritsis who thinks that you are ignorant of history continues:

"At this time, I will not engage you with a lengthy dissertation on historical truth. Any historian or scholar involved in serious critical inquiry will honestly disclose that the history of Macedonia (the geographical region) is an integral part of Greek history and that its actors were the Macedonian Greeks, from before Alexander the Great to the Greeks of the Byzantine Empire and the contemporary ones (http:/ /macedonia-evidence.org/).

Those who can, indeed, do engage in a lengthy dissertation of historical truth-they provide evidence to back up their claims. Those who cannot, refer you to websites.

Contrary to what Mr. Kiritsis alludes in the passage above that ancient Macedonia is an integral part of Greece , the evidence points to the opposite direction and cannot support such an elusive act. Greece occupied historic Macedonia for the first time in 1912, 1913 with the Balkan Wars. Never before that date did Greece ever claim Macedonia as part of Greece. Fact is that Greece maintained a consular office in Salonica prior to 1913. Countries do not open a consular office in their own cities; do they? Similarly, one is hard pressed to find evidence for the newly created designation "Macedonian Greeks" before 1986. Who were these people who kept silent over their dual ethnicity? Why were they hiding? Do Australians know or remember of any such designation prior to 1986? Can these Greeks provide a shred of evidence for this ethnic description? Isn't it a grotesque lie?

Fact is that Greece in her drive to exterminate the ethnic Macedonians has lost her political compass, is perilously close to losing her credibility and is dangerously manipulating the truth to her own populace. It is true that with her protracted campaign against the Republic of Macedonia , she is winning some minor skirmishes here and there, but truth is also, that you do not stop the bleeding of a severed aorta with a Band- Aid application.

Instead of reading and listening to your own Australian son, professor A. B. Bosworth, who says that the Greeks with Alexander in Asia were known for their absence from any major battle, the Greek Advisory Council in Australia wants to educate you and give you a "proper" guidance of protocol - the Greek style. Their laughable attempt to appropriate the ancient Macedonian Kingdom and steal the Macedonian legacy is an attempt to disrespect, obfuscate and denigrate world Academic Institutions.

The ancient kingdom of Macedon has nothing to do with Greeks. Alexander and his father Philip looked down upon these Greeks with utter contempt. Ancient Greeks have nothing in common with this mongrel race of residuals that inhabit Greece today.

Author after author, being disenchanted with modern Greeks' behavior and attitude, have depicted them as an agglomeration of Albanians, Vlachs, Slavs and Turks. Their violations of human rights of the ethnic Macedonians living in Greece and their continuous persecution and torment of them is a tantamount to thumbing their nose at the United Nations' universally established and accepted human rights codes of conduct and principles. In their path to procure documents, secure evidence or manufacture new one to support their inadmissible claims, these people will resort to corruption, deceit and willful endangerment of the well-being of anyone who dares to challenge their stands.

The world is simply tired of their fake concern about the name. It is amply transparent that their crocodile tears about the name are just a front to blur and deflect the real attention from the gist of their crime; the continuous denial of existence of ethnic Macedonians living in Greece whose human rights are being daily violated and whose existence as people is being threatened. That is the real issue with Greece today. These ethnic Macedonians are the real thorn in Greece 's behind because they expose and reveal to the world that democracy in Greece is a total farce. The inhumane treatment of the Macedonian minority in Greece is slowly but gradually emerging as a colossal problem for them that must be addressed sooner than later.

I know and strongly believe that Australians are quite able to separate the truth from fiction and act accordingly. I also know and wholeheartedly believe that Australia will soon join the majority of the countries of the world and refer to the Republic of Macedonia by its chosen constitutional name.

A memorable encounter (20)

From Metz Epitome 53-62.

King Porus of India responds to Alexander's emissary's message to bring tribute and hostages to Alexander and meet him at the boundaries of his kingdom:

“Porus, King of India, has this to say to Alexander: No matter who you are -and I am told that you are a Macedonian -it is better for you to remain at a distance and to reflect upon your own misfortunes rather than envy another. Porus is undefeated up to this time, and Darius caused me no alarm. So, imbecile, don't give me orders. Just set one foot in my territory with hostile intent and you shall learn that I am king of India, that none but Jupiter is my master.”

I brought this passage up for only one reason and that is to emphasize the fact that even people of so far away places, like India , knew who the Macedonians were. Greek web sites inform that when Persians came in contact with the Macedonians, they described them as Greeks: “Yauna takabara”, the "Greeks with sun hats", a reference to the Macedonian headwear. Fair enough. Now let us go to Herodotus the man who should know a thing or two about the Macedonians, and see what he had to say about the Persian arrival in Greece .

He states that the Thessalians were the first Greeks to fall under Persian control in 480-79 B.C. (Hdt. 7.130). Fact is also that Persian army was in Macedonia since 492 B.C. (Hdt. 6.42-45), which gives Herodotus more than a decade's time to recognize that the "Greeks" in Macedonia , the "Yauna takabara," were the first Greeks to fall under Persian rule. That did not happen because Herodotus knew better; he did not place ancient Macedonians under Greek ethnic umbrella.

The Theft of a King – Who Stole Alexander
ISBN: 978-1-4327-6856-0
Publisher: Outskirts Press, Inc.

By Gandeto, J.S.G.

1. What is the book about?

The book centers on Alexander the Great and the Ancient Macedonians’ ethnicity. It elaborates topics related to the differences between the ancient Macedonians and the ancient Greeks and attempts to dispel the modern notion – one originating in the 19th century and thereafter propagated by some western authors – that ancient Macedonians “were” Greeks. Also, in the book the reader will find glimpses of today’s dispute between the Republic of Macedonia and Greece regarding the name of the Republic of Macedonia, in essence, what lies hidden behind this carefully orchestrated Greek problem with the name. Readers will have a chance to get acquainted with modern-day Balkan politics where deep-rooted historical intrigues, stereotyping and ingrained prejudices do justice for tolerance and rational thought.

The book offers glimpses into our continuous struggle to return Alexander to his rightful place - among his Macedonian kinsmen. Yes, it is a feeble voice in the dark, but a voice nevertheless, that isn't going to die any time soon. Through the topics discussed in the book, the reader will have a chance to see and understand the other side of the story. In the words of Marquez Garcia, "Our enemies have crushed many roses before but they haven't succeeded in stopping the spring from coming."

Compelling questions:
..If Alexander the Great was a Greek king, why would he dismiss his own "Greek" troops in the middle of his Asian campaign in 330 B.C.? (Arr. III.19.6-7; Plut. Al. 42.5; Diod. XVII.74.3-4; Curt. VI.2.17).

Why would Greeks in the mainland, supposedly his own people, rebel against him?

Why would the Greeks call the Lamian War a "Hellenic War" if they were fighting the Macedonians?

2. Why did you decide to write it?

My main objective was twofold: to bring to the forefront the differences between the ancient Macedonians and the ancient Greeks and to shed some light on much overlooked and, by some authors largely ignored, facts about the ethnicity of the ancient Macedonians.

I could no longer stay silent in lieu of such incontrovertible evidence left to us from the ancient chronographers that clearly distinguished and separated the ancient Macedonians from the ancient Greeks. I felt compelled to respond to the blatant and dishonest manipulation of historical evidence in order to circumvent and subvert the universally declared human rights covenants and obligations.

3. How did you get your book published?

A friend of mine suggested Outskirts Press as a reputable vehicle to reach my audience; I’m glad I did.

4. What types of readers will be interested in your book?

I would be happy if today’s younger generation gets a “whiff” of the twisted political winds in the Balkan and understand how distortions and manipulations of historical facts can be used for political gains.

5. What is special about your book? What differentiates it from other books in the same category?

What separates this book from other books in the same category is the blunt straight forward – no gloves – attitude. There is no glossing over, no need to look for clues hidden in between the lines or sugar-coating politically correct terms. If I have perceived historical distortions being sold as fact, I have described them as lies; if unsupported of evidence claims are propagated as truths, I called them fabrications; if historical injustice has been committed, I find no acceptable reason to remain silent regardless of socio-political consequences. Conscience compels me to act and stand against all social injustices.

If modern day Greeks succeed in their diplomatic offensive to convince the world that Alexander the Great and his Macedonians were actually Greeks, then such a verdict may accomplish two things: (a) prove that historical evidence can be ignored (and in this case it would be), that records can be manipulated and subverted, and (b) inflict irreparable damage to the confidence and the faith entrusted in the hands of scholars and academic institutions world wide. Such a verdict will amount to nothing less than the theft of a king. On the other hand, if justice prevails, as it should, then we may safely conclude that Alexander and his legacy would continue to rest among his Macedonians whom he considered his natural kinsmen and with whom he shared his troubles, setbacks, sufferings and pain as well as jubilation in his victories.

6. Have you published any other books? Do you plan to publish more?

Yes, I have. In 2002 I published The Ancient Macedonians – Differences between the Ancient Macedonians and the Ancient Greeks, One Golden Ray upon the Rock, a novel in 2005 and The Wolves of Trapper’s Bluff in 2007.

I most certainly will continue to write.

The book is available through most of the book stores;

http://www.outskirtspress.com/thetheftofaking

J.S.G. Gandeto was born in Lubojno, Macedonia. Educated at Ss Cyril and Methodius University of Skopje, Republic of Macedonia. He immigrated to United States and continued his studies at Wayne State University, Detroit, Michigan and Nova South-Eastern University in Fourth Lauderdale, Florida where he received his post graduate degrees. He recently completed his 29th year as an educator and has since retired and is continuing to pursue his passion in writing. In 2002 he published his first book Ancient Macedonians - Differences between Ancient Macedonians and the Ancient Greeks. In 2005 he published the romantic novels One Golden Ray upon the Rock and in 2007, The Wolves of Trappers Bluff.

In the Macedonian Language he has published the following novels: Spasa's Light in 2004, Saraf in 2009 and Rosamarina's Grave in 2010. Book of poems Muabeti in 2003, poemata Ko Jagne in 2005 and Majka -Egejka in 2009. Currently, he is preparing for publication his latest novel Folded Impressions.

Articles by Risto Stefov:

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http://www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3446

Free electronic books by Risto Stefov available at:

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Our Name is Macedonia

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the ventilators are flying thick & fast at skopje.They should know that they don't need to accept the ventilator.The country chooses it's own flag not one which greece concocts for them.

Sadly, the citizens of the Republic of Macedonia missed a HUGE chance today to make a human rights statement and if I was Athenian I would be very pleased to see so many Greek flags flying proudly in Skopje today.

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the ventilators are flying thick & fast at skopje.They should know that they don't need to accept the ventilator.The country chooses it's own flag not one which greece concocts for them.

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UMD, is a computer science program - a small network of supporters aka family & relatives, a click

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umd are like lapdogs theu award people who sell us out.Kiro gligorov told the greeks we aren't macedonian we are slav.It's a slap in the face when he says we have no connection to the past.Also sold us out both on the name & flag.Looks like if you compromise & capitulate you will be awarded an award.Which ever you look at it gruevski is a traitor.

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2011 Macedonian Film Festival

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ОТКАКО ОБЕДИНЕТА МАКЕДОНСКА ДИЈАСПОРА НА ЕКС ПРЕТСЕДАТЕЛОТ МУ ДОДЕЛИ НАГРАДА ЗА ЖИВОТНО ДЕЛО

Жесток судир на СМК и ОМД поради наградата за Глигоров

Наградата за животно дело на поранешниот претседател Киро Глигоров од организацијата Обединета македонска дијаспора (ОМД) е неприфатлива за најголемиот број Македонци и македонски заедници во светот, бидејќи не ја одразува нивната волја, смета Светскиот македонски конгрес (СМК). ОМД реши да го награди првиот македонски претседател по осамостојувањето по повод дваесетгодишнината од независноста на Македонија.

Неразбирлива е мотивацијата на организацијата ОМД за награда на Глигоров, кој во својот мандат наводно ја одвратил државата од погрешни потези кои можеле иднината на Македонија да ја одведат во несакан правец (?!), бидејќи тоа воопшто не е вистина. Почит кон функцијата што ја вршел, но грешките на Глигоров не ги покриваат ни 1000 години од независноста на државата Македонија", се вели во соопштението на Конгресот.

Од СМК наведуваат 14 причини зошто Глигоров не требало да ја добие наградата:
(1) во времето на распаѓањето на поранешна СФРЈ со босанскиот претседател Изетбеговиќ предлагаше платформа за асиметрична југословенска федерација;
(2) со Стојан Андов ја жртвува Владата на Никола Кљусев за да го спаси југословенството на Денко Малески од одговорност во Собранието;
(3) без образложение за мисијата поради која го именува, го смени Васил Тупурковски од специјален пратеник на претседателот на Републиката во Соединетите Американски Држави;
(4) со Стојан Андов го анулира гласањето во Собранието за членот 1 од Уставот на Македонија како држава на македонскиот народ и држава на рамноправни граѓани";
(5) без собраниска одлука декларира промена на државното име во: Република Македонија во загради Скопје";
(6) во 1992 година ги подели Македонците во светот формирајќи втор Светски Македонски Конгрес со Џон Битов од Канада како алиби за манипулација со емиграцијата заради промената на државното име и знаме;
(7) цели шест месеци по одлуката на Собранието во јули 1992 година не ја поднесе апликацијата на Македонија за прием во Обединетите нации се до обелоденувањето од пресот на портпаролот на генералниот секретар на ООН во јануари 1993 година дека Македонија се уште не поднела апликација за прием во Обединетите нации;
(8) со Бранко Црвенковски ја внесе Македонија во Обединетите нации под понижувачкото привремено обраќање Поранешна Југословенска Република Македонија";
(9) со Стево Црвенковски ја прифати македонско-грчката согласност од 13 септември 1995 година со којашто се суспендира една третина од Уставот на државата Македонија;
(10) ја суспендира грижата за положбата на државата Македонија за припадниците на македонскиот народ во соседните земји на републиката и за иселениците од Македонија;
(11) прифати промена на државното знаме на Македонија;
(12) беше претседател на држава без парламентарна опозиција и со партизирано судство од 1994 до 1998 година;
(13) направи груб атак врз уставниот поредок, во обид за суспензија на парламентарната демократија, осудувајќи го поразот на СДСМ како крај за демократијата во Македонија, барајќи од народот да не го остава сам" и
(14) им беше покритие на Бранко Црвенковски за криминалната приватизација на општествената сопственост со која се криминализира целото општество, и на Соња Николовска за пирамидалната штедилница ТАТ во Битола.

Глигоров: Ние немаме друга татковина освен Република Македонија
Првиот претседател на Македонија, Киро Глигоров, упати честитка до граѓаните на земјава по повод Денот на независноста, 8 Септември. Глигоров во честитката пишува дека одржаниот референдум пред 20 години значеше врв на борбите и стремежот на македонскиот народ за слобода и сопствена држава.

Иако меѓу последните на Балканот, Глигоров вели дека тоа македонскиот народ го направи длабоко свесен за сопствените права и идентитет.
- Огромно е задоволството што дваесетгодишниот јубилеј го чествуваме во слободна и суверена држава, национална држава на македонскиот народ и татковина на сите припадници на другите етнички заедници што живеат во државава, членка на ООН и рамноправен субјект во меѓународната заедница. Без оглед на величината и богатството, без оглед на тоа како е прифатена, дали е напаѓана или оспорувана, Македонија ни е една и единствена татковина. Таа е географски одредена со нејзините меѓународно признати граници. Ние немаме друга татковина. Затоа мораме да ја чуваме, да ја градиме и да се бориме за неа. Притоа е важно сите граѓани на Република Македонија еднакво да ја сакаат државата и да ја чувствуваат како своја татковина. Тоа е важна претпоставка за меѓусебно разбирање, дијалог и соработка, за меѓусебно почитување, толеранција и соживот. Таквите определби се традиционални на овие простори и се содржани како во Крушевскиот манифест, така и во асномските документи, потсетува Глигоров.
- Уште еднаш од се срце сакам да ви го честитам Денот на независноста на Република Македонија и да ви посакам добро здравје, семејна благосостојба и подобар живот, се вели во честитката на првиот претседател Глигоров.

http://www.vecer.com.mk/?ItemID=32D09F1F7253BF4FAFFAC03117BD255D

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