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Mastika, Slav Macedonian is a made up name did the Greeks call us that 50 years ago? They started calling us that once we became independent.
Ask your father,grandfather how they called them.МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.
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Originally posted by Prolet View PostJankovska, No its not but thats a made up word incited to cause racism this is their name its who they are.
The Vlasi are also called Cincari does this mean they should be offended if somebody calls them Cincars? Like i said these names have long histories they are not made up to cause racism. They are not segregated, bashed,arrested just because of who they are and their race.
If Vlasi dont want to be called Cincari then we have to respect their decision and not call them this. It is there right to determine their own name.
After all of the hassle people have gone through getting others to call them Macedonians and getting them to call Macedonia by its proper name, I would have thought that people would take their own advice and call others what they want to be called.Last edited by Mastika; 07-01-2010, 09:15 AM.
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Originally posted by Prolet View PostJankovska, No its not but thats a made up word incited to cause racism this is their name its who they are.
The Vlasi are also called Cincari does this mean they should be offended if somebody calls them Cincars? Like i said these names have long histories they are not made up to cause racism. They are not segregated, bashed,arrested just because of who they are and their race.
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Originally posted by Prolet View PostMastika, Slav Macedonian is a made up name did the Greeks call us that 50 years ago? They started calling us that once we became independent.
Ask your father,grandfather how they called them.
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Calling someone a Tsintsar would be deeply offensive
Its actually a Vlach word for starters.
Julie, So lets all take offense then if we are called MacedoniansМАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.
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Mastika, pls donīt take that "brainwashing" offensive or personal. maybe some Gjuptin told you that "gjuptin" and "gjupci" is offensive, but trust me dude, 30 years ago no Gjuptin was offenced if you called him Gjuptin.
Also 40 and 50 years ago.
How come sudenly it is offensive term?
Brainwashing, on such level, you can not even imagine
It is easy to brainwash complete Nation(s) and Religion(s) , people with high education as well as people with low or no education.
You only have to have the money and some basic knowledge of Freud, Bernays etcBratot:
Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.
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Prolet you dribble utter rubbish and bullshit. Gypsy - derogatory. Macedonian - race and ethnicity
Sometimes I think the boys are too hard on you, now I am positive they are not.
How rude."The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev
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Originally posted by Prolet View PostAre you serious?
Its actually a Vlach word for starters.
Julie, So lets all take offense then if we are called Macedonians
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Jankovska, What do you think of that girl who was upset because she couldnt steal? She looked 14 years old.
Mastika, You see Macedonia is a country thats been around for thousands of years it wasnt found and formed 200-300 years ago like Australia and USA. Its not like these people migrated yesterday they have been around for so long that America and Australia wernt even on the map. We all know eachother, we've lived together for so long and now you are here giving me a lesson on how we should call them when we've lived together for over 1000 years? You can say that in Australia or USA where there are 170 different nationalities and races that emigrated 30-40 years ago but not to people who have been living in Macedonia for much longer.МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.
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prolet - ti si serbche ili grche ili bugarche
ajde be, shto si, srbomanche?
How do you like it. You are a pig"The moral revolution - the revolution of the mind, heart and soul of an enslaved people, is our greatest task."__________________Gotse Delchev
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Originally posted by Phoenix View Postprolet, what fathers and grandfathers called them doesn't make it right...infact thats the root of the problem, that these attitudes are so deeply rooted in our/their society...
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True but 50 years ago the Macedonians in Greece were called Greek and they still are. We don't like it and they don't like it. They may have accepted it, some of them haven't. The reality is they want to be refered to as Macedonians. Majority of Roma want to be refered to as Roma. We shouldn't have a problem with that, because they are people same as us and deserve respect. Basic human rights, the right to be called what you want, the right to be who you want to be. Fifty years ago Roma in MAcedonia lived much worse than they do now, they could have simply be terrefied to object to being Cigani. Or we could have been very arogant not to listen to what they want to be called. We shouldn't be. Basic human rights must be respected no matter koi luge se vo prasanje.
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Originally posted by Serdarot View PostMastika, pls donīt take that "brainwashing" offensive or personal. maybe some Gjuptin told you that "gjuptin" and "gjupci" is offensive, but trust me dude, 30 years ago no Gjuptin was offenced if you called him Gjuptin.
Also 40 and 50 years ago.
How come sudenly it is offensive term?
Brainwashing, on such level, you can not even imagine
It is easy to brainwash complete Nation(s) and Religion(s) , people with high education as well as people with low or no education.
You only have to have the money and some basic knowledge of Freud, Bernays etc
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Originally posted by julie View PostProlet you dribble utter rubbish and bullshit. Gypsy - derogatory. Macedonian - race and ethnicity
Sometimes I think the boys are too hard on you, now I am positive they are not.
How rude.МАКЕДОНЕЦ си кога кавал ќе ти ја распара душата,зурла ќе ти го раскине срцето,кога секое влакно од кожата ќе ти се наежи кога ќе видиш шеснаесеткрако сонце,кога до коска ќе те заболи кога ќе слушнеш ПЈРМ,кога немаш ни за леб,а полн си во душата затоа што ја сакаш МАКЕДОНИЈА. МАКЕДОНИЈА во срце те носиме.
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