Macedonians to buy out Egejska Makedonija?

[Mastika]

Why do you suggest the Republic of Macedonia is in no position to buy a part of the port at Solun?

In the time of Yugoslavia, a part of the Solun port was in the same manner 'owned' by Yugoslavia.

Macedonia has excellent reserves, it has an excellent credit rating and well managed debt levels, it can most definitely afford such an action, and it will pay itself ten-fold given how substantial the trade between Macedonia and Greece, and the Macedonian imports and exports via Greece are.

Why do you think Greece would allow a non-hyphenated Macedonia to share in the "spoils" lets say. If Greece controls Macedonias lifeline, then therefore they are prone to excercise more influence, which was demonstrated by the blockade 15 years ago. What I am trying to say, is that the Republic is not a position to buy it, because it is not in a position to be sold.

As for the farmer's markets and the CBD of the main cities in Aegean Macedonia, again I think you're wrong. Take Lerin as an example - quite a substantial portion of the city-centre is already owned by (proud) Macedonians, many of whom are in Australia.

If you head on out to the food market in Lerin, you will hear Macedonians screaming out 'piperki' and so on, most of the stalls are taken up from Macedonians from Lerin.

So, I'm talking about buying out the stalls (already run by Macedonians), renting out the shops (already owned by Macedonians) only in a more organised manner with the intent of influencing trade and commerce in the city in such a way that Macedonian becomes the language of trade and commerce. So when all the buyers (shop owners) are Macedonians and deal in Macedonian, then all the farmers who want to sell their crops will need to sell them to the buyers, communicating in Macedonian, and so on.

What you are suggesting is also highly unlikely. I think it makes very little difference whether or not the building is owned by a local or a foreign citizen originally from Macedonia. In the end it comes down to $$$. The diaspora is not a charity.

As for reasserting the Macedonian language, this cannot originate from Commercial fields rather from a domestic one (household). The majority firstly cannot read/write the proper Macedonian, so I cannot see how anything "official" will be able to be conducted in Macedonian.

Without education no language can assert itself. We are having enough trouble trying to convince Macedonians to use the language at home, with their children, in private, let alone trying to convince non-Macedonians to speak the language of a foreign country in the workplace! The fact of the matter is, sadly, until Macedonia asserts the Macedonian language IN Macedonia, there will be very little success outside of the country.

[Rogi]

Why do you suggest the Republic of Macedonia is in no position to buy a part of the port at Solun?

In the time of Yugoslavia, a part of the Solun port was in the same manner 'owned' by Yugoslavia.

Macedonia has excellent reserves, it has an excellent credit rating and well managed debt levels, it can most definitely afford such an action, and it will pay itself ten-fold given how substantial the trade between Macedonia and Greece, and the Macedonian imports and exports via Greece are.

As for the farmer's markets and the CBD of the main cities in Aegean Macedonia, again I think you're wrong. Take Lerin as an example - quite a substantial portion of the city-centre is already owned by (proud) Macedonians, many of whom are in Australia.

If you head on out to the food market in Lerin, you will hear Macedonians screaming out 'piperki' and so on, most of the stalls are taken up from Macedonians from Lerin.

So, I'm talking about buying out the stalls (already run by Macedonians), renting out the shops (already owned by Macedonians) only in a more organised manner with the intent of influencing trade and commerce in the city in such a way that Macedonian becomes the language of trade and commerce. So when all the buyers (shop owners) are Macedonians and deal in Macedonian, then all the farmers who want to sell their crops will need to sell them to the buyers, communicating in Macedonian, and so on.

Quite feasible and realistic, in fact if this weren't a public forum I could probably post some real details and figures.

[Mastika]

Osiris, I think its an idea from one of the AMW readers



I guess they are looking at the Russians selling Alaska to the Americans as an example.

This idea is nothing but stupidity. Unlike Alaska, Aegean Macedonia is NOT for sale.

Besides, we can't even buy back Western Macedonia, now buying other countries. No wonder people find it hard to take us seriously.

As for Rogi's idea, the Republic of Macedonia nor the diaspora is in no positiong to do what he is suggesting.

[Phoenix]

Osiris, I think its an idea from one of the AMW readers



I guess they are looking at the Russians selling Alaska to the Americans as an example.

Phoenix, What about wealthy people like Mike Ilitch who owns the Detroit Red Wings? He comes from Bitolsko and the other wealthy Macedonians around the world and inside Stari Kraj.

Prolet, what do you know about Ilitch, I'm trying to nail down his origins in Bitolsko...???

[osiris]

why not they have some good night clubs there dont they and lots of young nubile tourist girls sounds ok to me.

[Bij]

can we buy ibiza while we're at it?

[osiris]

lol @ utopian wankfests.

bj wish i said that, thats exactly what it is

and after egei we buy pirin and then we buy everything all the way to our brothers the kalash and hunza.

[Bij]

lol @ utopian wankfests.

[Rogi]

Instead of announcing every brain fart, perhaps thinking through it to see if it is worthwhile, would be useful.

How about calculating the value of the land at current prices, calculating the value in tax generated, the value in exports and (perhaps most importantly) the energy/electricity dependence that Greece has on Aegean Macedonia, to see whether it is something that can be 'bought'. It quickly becomes clear that Aegean Macedonia is not something that Greece will give, or can afford to give, at any price, because it relies on Aegean Macedonia for its' very existence.

If you're talking about buying out Aegean Macedonia in a non-literal sense, perhaps you should be talking about buying out a portion of the port at Solun, or buying out some of the tollways/highways that inter-connect Aegean Macedonia and connect with the Republic of Macedonia, and buying out the trade/food/farmer markets in the major towns, and some of the commercial real estate in the central business districts in the major towns throughout Aegean Macedonia. Make the Macedonian language primary in the region, for trade and commerce and everything changes.

[Prolet]

Its no joke at all, its given as an idea. If it was a joke it wouldnt have been put up to begin with.

[osiris]

phew ozimak thanks for the update, because i was really starting to question the mentality of some of our nashi

[fyrOM]

it was a joke people. some person made a comment in jest which was then heard by someone and blown out of proportion. It does make us look like fools and the media should be mindful in their reporting. You cant stop people making jokes but then the media should not make an issue of it. The media should also keep in foremost of their minds the good of the republic.

[osiris]

they are very uninformed people prolet.

they make us look like fools.

[Prolet]

Osiris, I think its an idea from one of the AMW readers

Vo edna takva situacija, reagiraa i nekoi Makedonci. "Zoshto ne se organizirame sega i da si go otkupime egejskiot del od Makedonija?", me prashuvashe eden chitatel.

I guess they are looking at the Russians selling Alaska to the Americans as an example.

Phoenix, What about wealthy people like Mike Ilitch who owns the Detroit Red Wings? He comes from Bitolsko and the other wealthy Macedonians around the world and inside Stari Kraj.

[Phoenix]

Phoenix, Do you think our Diaspora can buy out Egejska Makedonija? We'd need billions.

No fuckin' chance Prolet...

Prolet, around the World we have some incredibly wealthy Egejci, if those people had harnessed their combined wealth, political connections and managerial expertise we probably wouldn't be sitting here discussing utopian wank-fests...