Greek and Bulgarian Music and culture

[Makedonetz]

SoM what about this?

Girl in Turkish Costume with Tambourine
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[Soldier of Macedon]

I was actually looking for male costumes to make a comparison.

[Onur]

These people are so-called Greek Macedonians from Kavala, formerly christian Turks but today`s Hellenes. I think they are doing some cultural exhibition in a theater called Alexander the Great in Kavala. They wear their late 19th century costumes, sing and dance but the thing is, these Greek Macedonians in Alexander the Great theater sings in Turkish!!!;

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[George S.]

they'll steal vojo's golema svadba,& makedonsko devojce kitka sarena.They do it as they got no respect or anything they are just thieves.

[Voltron]

These people are so-called Greek Macedonians from Kavala, formerly christian Turks but today`s Hellenes. I think they are doing some cultural exhibition in a theater called Alexander the Great in Kavala. They wear their late 19th century costumes, sing and dance but the thing is, these Greek Macedonians in Alexander the Great theater sings in Turkish!!!;

Onur, the dances are Capodocian. Are they supposed to stop practicing their regional dances because they were forced to move to Macedonia ? Christian Turks ? Pandering much lately ?

[Risto the Great]

Onur, the dances are Capodocian. Are they supposed to stop practicing their regional dances because they were forced to move to Macedonia ? Christian Turks ? Pandering much lately ?

And Capodocians are instantly Greek are they?

[Soldier of Macedon]

Voltron, those 'regional' dances are Turkish, because Turks lived in that region. I don't think Onur was suggesting that they stop practicing such customs, he was merely highlighting the fact that they are Turkish but are being presented as 'Greek'.

[Voltron]

Voltron, those 'regional' dances are Turkish, because Turks lived in that region. I don't think Onur was suggesting that they stop practicing such customs, he was merely highlighting the fact that they are Turkish but are being presented as 'Greek'.

If our friend Onur feels they are Christian Turks, then he will have to account for the Muslim Greeks on his side of the fence presenting their traditions as " Turkish ".

He seems to forget that in order to have a population exchange you need a minimum of at least two countries participating.

[Soldier of Macedon]

There are Macedonian Muslims who live in Turkey today as a result of the Greece-Turkey population exchange, and I have seen clips of them where they sing traditional Macedonian songs. I doubt that Turkey would claim them as traditionally Turkish songs. What do Turks claim as theirs which is actually Greek?

[Voltron]

What do Turks claim as theirs which is actually Greek?

I would say a quarter of their total population.

There are Macedonian Muslims who live in Turkey today as a result of the Greece-Turkey population exchange, and I have seen clips of them where they sing traditional Macedonian songs.

I wonder how they view themselves today. Most likely as Turks.
Islam and nationality do not mix. Its either one or the other.

[Imagination]

I would say a quarter of their total population.



I wonder how they view themselves today. Most likely as Turks.
Islam and nationality do not mix. Its either one or the other.

All Balkan Muslims like calling themselves Turks or Albanians. They think they are their brothers , but sadly calling themselves that is a bad thing because they make the ethnical situation more difficult to understand for instance Greek Muslims. They are ethnically Greek but still they call themselves Turks.

[Voltron]

Yes, that is the general approach. Same thing with Bosnians, they identify themselves something different when in fact they are Muslim Serbs. Go figure....

[Soldier of Macedon]

I would say a quarter of their total population.

I don't want to get into population numbers where it concerns actual ethnicities, as Greece is no angel in this regard either. I was talking about cultural characteristics, like, for example when some clowns in Greece claim dances like the 'pusteno' (pushteno) and foods like 'pogatsa' (pogacha) are 'Greek' when in fact they are Macedonian.

What do they claim which is or may be originally Greek?

[Soldier of Macedon]

All Balkan Muslims like calling themselves Turks or Albanians. They think they are their brothers , but sadly calling themselves that is a bad thing because they make the ethnical situation more difficult to understand for instance Greek Muslims. They are ethnically Greek but still they call themselves Turks.

Many of them do, but not all of them. What do the Muslims in Bulgaria call themselves?

[Imagination]

Many of them do, but not all of them. What do the Muslims in Bulgaria call themselves?

Go ask them. There's a wikipedia for that if the distance is long.