Philiki Eteria founders most likely Vlachs & Slav

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  • TerraNova
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    #16
    Originally posted by Bratot View Post
    Our "Eastern" neighbour, is actually a more or less creation of Macedonian immigrants.

    Which is naturally since Sofia was the closes center for any of our revolutioners to act for liberation of Macedonia.
    If it was so...how did these "immigrants" called themselves?
    And if it was so...why they ve chosen to "create Bulgaria" ...instead of their homeland...Macedonia?

    Since the Turkish concentration was biggest in Macedonia it was 10 times harder to rebel against them.

    Those "local riots" as you say are one each piece of the whole national struggle and they cannot be taken ignorantly since their goal was same - authonomy for Macedonia.
    Do you think all the revolutionaries wanted an independent or even autonomous Macedonia,or some of them wanted this autonomous Macedonia within Greater Bulgaria...when the time was right ??

    Let me remind some cases in the neighborhood ..the exact same era. Eastern Rumelia's case.
    (first autonomous ..1878...then within Bulgaria 1885)

    or Crete's case.
    (first autonomous 1898..after rebellion...then within Greece-1912)

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    • TerraNova
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      #17
      As about the topic.
      The founders of Philiki Eteria were initially 4.

      1.Panagiotis Anagnostopoulos (1790-1854)

      From Andritsena-Peloponnese.

      2.Emmanuil Xanthos (1772-1852)

      From Patmos-Aegean Islands.

      3.Nikolaos Skoufas (1779-1819)

      From Komboti, Arta -Epirus.


      4.Athanasios Tekelis (Tsakalof) (1788-1851)

      From Ioannina- Epirus

      all...slavs...

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      • Soldier of Macedon
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        • Sep 2008
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        #18
        Originally posted by TerraNova
        Do you think all the revolutionaries wanted an independent or even autonomous Macedonia,or some of them wanted this autonomous Macedonia within Greater Bulgaria...when the time was right ??
        The problem with VMRO is the Bulgarian propaganda from Exarch schools and churches, in which most of their members were brought up in. But people like Sandanski, Alexandrov and Delchev, regardless of questionable statements made with regard to their identity, clearly wanted an autonomous and free Macedonia.

        That is the Macedonian dream, that is what most Macedonians wanted. Just like the below VMRO members:




        There was strong opposition from Bulgaria against me and the others..........................Hristo Chernopeev

        Delchev explained: we cannot rest our hopes on foreign help, we shouldn't wait for help from Bulgaria nor from any other power, instead we need to prepare from within.............................Ivan Grcheto

        I called for a collective gathering of all the village battle leaders in the village of Leshko, where I explained to them, what the work of the Internal Organisation was and what the intentions were of the Supremist Committee. I explained the matter as such, that if we submit to the Supremist Committee their people will be able to, wether they are sent by the leadership of Bulgaria and mainly the prince (as in the year 1895, when our people were the toys of the prince), or again with their own company to make some sort of gathering inside and with them to operate so that nothing serious will arise for the freedom of the Macedonians, for which the Internal Organisation is preparing...........................Sava Mihailov

        We were never able to lead the battle in stages. We were for either the autonomy of Macedonia, or I donít know what. We made big mistakes. In the year 1913, however, Bulgaria made the biggest mistake.................................Atanas Lozanchev

        Don't believe everything you read, VMRO history is more complex than a simple glance at Bulgarian propagandist garbage found on the internet.
        In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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        • Soldier of Macedon
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          • Sep 2008
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          #19
          4.Athanasios Tekelis (Tsakalof) (1788-1851)
          Is Tsakalov a 'Greek' name? Tekelis, lol
          In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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          • TerraNova
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            #20
            Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
            Ask the Macedonians any day of the week who the Macedonians were.
            Hell, the Greeks did not know what they were until Lord Byron told them.
            Yes..sure.
            Surprisingly Philiki Eteria was founded in 1814 (Byron came in Greece,in 1821)

            At the same time Macedonian schools were spread throughout Macedonia,Macedonian scholars were promoting the Macedonian idea,Macedonian culture was known all over the known world and Macedonian revolution was spread in the region....

            No..not just peasants with religious and regional identity only..

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            • TerraNova
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              #21
              Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
              Is Tsakalov a 'Greek' name? Tekelis, lol
              What a brilliant conclusion!
              ov...hm...he is Bulgarian or Russian..or Slav.

              Then 1/3 of Macedonians (or 1/5?) are Bulgarians or Russians.
              Or just Slavs.You say so.

              Make the connection-not official surnames in Ottoman Empire-Tsakalof moves to Odessa and lives there-takes a surname.
              It's not hard ...try

              Otherwise..a Slav ..of the famous Slav speaking Ioannina region was a Slav.

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              • Risto the Great
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                • Sep 2008
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                #22
                Capo D'Istria = Kapodistrias
                So many choices if you want to claim Greekness.
                Risto the Great
                MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                • TerraNova
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
                  Capo D'Istria = Kapodistrias
                  So many choices if you want to claim Greekness.
                  What's your surname?

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                  • Risto the Great
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                    #24
                    Originally posted by TerraNova View Post
                    What's your surname?
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                    Farkov
                    Risto the Great
                    MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
                    "Holding my breath for the revolution."

                    Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com

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                    • TerraNova
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
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                      Farkov
                      ov...a Slav?
                      a Russian?
                      A Bulgarian?

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                      • Bratot
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                        • Sep 2008
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by TerraNova View Post
                        What a brilliant conclusion!
                        ov...hm...he is Bulgarian or Russian..or Slav.

                        Then 1/3 of Macedonians (or 1/5?) are Bulgarians or Russians.
                        Or just Slavs.You say so.

                        Make the connection-not official surnames in Ottoman Empire-Tsakalof moves to Odessa and lives there-takes a surname.
                        It's not hard ...try

                        Otherwise..a Slav ..of the famous Slav speaking Ioannina region was a Slav.
                        No no, on a contrary pal, that means 1/3 of the "Greeks" are.. Slavs, Bulgarians,Russians.. You say so.
                        The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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                        • Soldier of Macedon
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                          • Sep 2008
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by TerraNova View Post
                          Make the connection-not official surnames in Ottoman Empire-Tsakalof moves to Odessa and lives there-takes a surname.
                          It's not hard ...try

                          Otherwise..a Slav ..of the famous Slav speaking Ioannina region was a Slav.
                          Why should I make the connection when you are full of Albanians that you claim as plastic 'Hellenes'? Tsakalov sounds more Balkan than Russian, and I have already explained the general use of 'ov' in Slavic to you before bird brain, try and remember.
                          In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                          • TerraNova
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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                            Why should I make the connection when you are full of Albanians that you claim as plastic 'Hellenes'? Tsakalov sounds more Balkan than Russian, and I have already explained the general use of 'ov' in Slavic to you before bird brain, try and remember.

                            So..come on....shout it :Athanasios Tsakalov was Slav.

                            Is "one of four names of the founders of Philiki Eteria sounds non-Greek " ,the basis of this thread?...??

                            I hope you have some evidence..otherwise smells like bullshit.

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                            • Ne Smassen
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                              • Jan 2009
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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Risto the Great View Post
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                              Farkov
                              Do you know his greek cousin...Farkiou?

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                              • TerraNova
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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Ne Smassen View Post
                                Do you know his greek cousin...Farkiou?
                                There is obviously a cold "joke"...i m sorry i don't speak any slavic language since i am a Greek of Macedonia...

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