The Real Ethnic Composition of Modern Greece

[Carlin]

[Amphipolis]

Exactly, so you can see my problem. This phrase "In 1605 AD, half of Thesaloniki's Christian population was of Vlach origin." is found in several books (including Greek ones) but it takes this extra amount of energy to find the original source and evaluate it.

[Carlin]

Today's Epirotes = Hellenized Albanians, Bulgarians and Vlachs.

Year 1821 = Athens and Euboea (Evia) mainly populated by Albanians.

From the same book - in Bulgarian. (Some of this is not related to this thread so can be moved elsewhere.)




Summary:

- In the 11th century Malaterra calls Epirotes Bulgarians, and Arta - Bulgarian town.
- Prior to the coming of the Turks the Despot of Avlona and Kanina was a certain Alexander, "Slav" by nationality (Aleksandar "slavianin" po narodnost). Branila served this Alexander, and Branila was grandfather (from father's line) of G. Skanderbeg. Jireček claims that G. Skanderbeg was of Slavic extraction.
- The Miyaks - Мијаци (here called a Bulgarian tribe), with aristocratic pride consider themselves as descendants of Skanderbeg.

FYI - The author of this book was Gavriil Simeonovski, a native of Debar.

[Liberator of Makedonija]

From the same book - in Bulgarian. (Some of this is not related to this thread so can be moved elsewhere.)




Summary:

- In the 11th century Malaterra calls Epirotes Bulgarians, and Arta - Bulgarian town.
- Prior to the coming of the Turks the Despot of Avlona and Kanina was a certain Alexander, "Slav" by nationality (Aleksandar "slavianin" po narodnost). Branila served this Alexander, and Branila was grandfather (from father's line) of G. Skanderbeg. Jireček claims that G. Skanderbeg was of Slavic extraction.
- The Miyaks - Мијаци (here called a Bulgarian tribe), with aristocratic pride consider themselves as descendants of Skanderbeg.

FYI - The author of this book was Gavriil Simeonovski, a native of Debar.

Can't find much on this Simeonovski, do you know any more?

[tchaiku]

The Dutch historian and geographer Olfert Dapper (1688) reports about the Arvanitic population of the islands of Salamis, Poros, and Aegina, "The inhabitants of these islands are very poor and live in poverty, as do almost all the Albanians that are scattered all over Greece" (1688: 145 f.).

[Liberator of Makedonija]

The Dutch historian and geographer Olfert Dapper (1688) reports about the Arvanitic population of the islands of Salamis, Poros, and Aegina, "The inhabitants of these islands are very poor and live in poverty, as do almost all the Albanians that are scattered all over Greece" (1688: 145 f.).

Did he use the terms 'Albanian' and 'Greece' specificaly or are these modern transliterations?

[tchaiku]

I haven't seen the original text but after I did some research it turns out the author actually never visited Greece.

[Liberator of Makedonija]

I haven't seen the oroginal text but after I did some research it turns out the author actually never visited Greece.

Yeah that sounds about right. Doesn't seem like any of them began visiting the Balkans until the early 19th-century.

[Carlin]

Can't find much on this Simeonovski, do you know any more?

It seems that Simeonovski was from Debar, and lived in Bulgaria. He was part of the Macedonian emigration there (he was a member of the Debar Brotherhood in Bulgaria). He worked as an inspector at the Ministry of Commerce, Industry and Labor. He originates from the prominent Debar family Simonovci - Симоновци.

In 1927, Gavriil Simeonovski, published the "Political History of the Western Macedonian Region (Contribution to the Bulgarian National History - Samuil's Age - 980-1014 with Chronology of the Events and the Kings from the Founding of the Bulgarian Kingdom - 679 to today)" [Политическа история на Западната Македонска Област (принос към българската национална история - Самуиловата епоха - 980-1014 с Хронология на събитията и царете от основаването на българското царство - 679 год. до днес)].

[Carlin]

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[Carlin]

Albanians in Crete
- Sfakia, and Sfaka of Argyrocastro
- Lab / Lap customs in Crete

[Carlin]

[Carlin]

[Carlin]

[tchaiku]

Clearly, a certain modus vivendi had been achieved that served the interests both of the Ottomans and of the Christian populations in the highlands.43 All the same, Vlachs were still living on the Thessalian plain between 1454 and 1506. In Damassi near Elassona, which was then a small, but fortified town, 314 Christian families are recorded. Of these, 184 are referred to as ulah or Vlach-speakers and 130 as rum or Greek-speakers. In 1506, Ottoman sources mention Vlachs living in ...

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