The Real Ethnic Composition of Modern Greece

[Carlin]

Some additional points.

- Anonymi Descriptio Europae orientalis. Imperium Constantinopolitanum, Albania, Serbia, Bulgaria, Ruthenia, Ungaria, Polonia, Bohemia. Anno MCCCVIII exarata. Cracoviae, 1916: As per the anonymous traveler of Eastern Europe from the XIV century, it is stated that Vlachs (whom the author calls "Blasi"), are a numerous people living between Macedonia, Achaia and Salonika.

- Johann Thunmann, Untersuchungen uber die Geschichte der ostlichen europaischen Volker, I. Leipzig, 1774: The author states (estimates) that Vlachs represent half the population of Thrace, and three quarters of inhabitants of Thessaly and Macedonia combined.

- In early March 1821, Alexander Ypsilanti called Vlachs/Romanians DACIANS!

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[Carlin]

The Slavic colonization in Greece (Prof. Veremis in the video)

Σύγχρονος καθηγητής ψευδόμενος.wmv - YouTube

"From the 6th century onward, came and settled many Slavs, not only in northern and central Balkans, but also, in Greece . Arrived and settled in the Peloponnese. Later, passed with boats in the Aegean Islands and arrived to Crete. Paliotera, in Hellenistic and Roman times, had settled here, especially in big cities, many foreigners (easterners and Romans), but the settlement of the Slavs was greater. The ethnographic composition of the population of mainland Greece changed much. (Later changed further with the installation of other tribes such as Arvanites, Vlachs, Turks, etc.). issues of The Medieval Slavicization the Greek area is a straight shot to the idea of the alleged historical continuity of the ancient Greeks and the modern inhabitants of Greece the nucleus that is, of our modern national myth. Historians mentioned therein, were anathema to the official modern Greek state, but the Greeks podigetoumenon intellectuals who denounced them, sometimes with grave insults. Since then, the issue was a national issue and endearing scope for nationalism for amateurs, but also professionals ellinarades patriots. This article is the third in the series of research, which began in the "free inquiry" http://www.freeinquiry.gr for revealing the origin of the present inhabitants of Greece. "

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German professor, who had toured Greece, published in 1830 in A volume of his work "History of the peninsula of Morea", which caused a great uproar. It was the era when Europe was showing its great sympathy for the revolution of 1821. Fallmerayer supported in his work, that Greece is a heap of ruins, and that the modern Greeks have nothing to do with the ancient Greeks. He based his opinion on the one hand the Byzantine sources and from other observations, made touring Greece. In many areas Arvanitika (Albanian) and Vlach were spoken. The ancient Greek language was unknown. The views of later additions and linguistic observations: Slavic place names everywhere, which from Macedonia to the south Peloponnese clearly show that the Slavs did not only "pass through" - but Slavs settled everywhere in Greece. (�Fragmente aus den Orien�, 1845).

(K. Paparrigopoulos was one of the pioneers of creating the myth of continuity of the Greek nation. The History entitled "History of the Greek nation", which is not the case because the Greek nation concept did not exist before the 19th century.

His work can today safely be branded as a stunning piece of imposture and forgery.)


PS:
The Ottomans in 1821 could not understand, "how is it that modern Greeks, a mixture of Slavs, Turks, Albanians, Vlachs consider themselves descendants of Socrates and Plato ...". (Dr. Fikret Antanir, Professor of History, University Sabanci , Istanbul).

Οι σημερινοί Έλληνες είναι μείγμα λαών - YouTube

[Carlin]

Rigas Velestinlis the Vlach.

In his famous poem "Thourios" Rigas does not refer to Greeks or Hellenes at all - only Christians and Romioi (Romans or Vlachs).

Ρωμιοί γράφει, �*λληνες διαβάζει! - YouTube

�Να σφάξουμε τους λύκους, που στον ζυγόν βαστούν,
και χριστιανούς και τούρκους (christians and turks), σκληρά τους τυραννούν...�
�...και τούρκοι και ρωμιοί... (turks and romans) �
�Βουλγάροι (bulgarians) κι αρβανίτες (arvanites/albanians), αρμένιοι (armenians) και ρωμιοί (romans/vlachs),
αράπηδες (arabs) και άσπροι, με μια κοινήν ορμή...�

Note that while the above quote from the series "1821" SKY is depicted from the "THOURIOS" the presenter then elected to read not ROMIOI, but HELLENES! "Greeks, Turks, Bulgarians, Albanians, Armenians, Arabs, etc ... "

Another typical case of how history is falsified at will.

[George S.]

where is the claim that only greeks live in greece.That's proof that greeks are not what they seem to be greek that's got to be the biggest lie.

[Louis]

�Να σφάξουμε τους λύκους, που στον ζυγόν βαστούν,
και χριστιανούς και τούρκους (christians and turks), σκληρά τους τυραννούν...�
�...και τούρκοι και ρωμιοί... (turks and romans) �
�Βουλγάροι (bulgarians) κι αρβανίτες (arvanites/albanians), αρμένιοι (armenians) και ρωμιοί (romans/vlachs),
αράπηδες (arabs) και άσπροι, με μια κοινήν ορμή...�

Since you're a Macedonian shouldn't you notice something else in that quote?

Also, I didn't know Roman was a synonym of Vlach (I thought it was a synonym of Greek). What is the language of this text? Is this the Vlach language?

[Carlin]

Vlach = Roman.

The term Vlach is an 'exonym'. All Latin peoples used various words derived from 'Romanus'/'Roman' to call themselves. The term itself, Vlach, is of Germanic origin, a name used by ancient Germans to refer to Roman-speaking and Celtic-speaking populations. From the Germans, the name passed to Slavs and other peoples. Interestingly, the root of this name does not "belong" to Balkan Vlachs only but also to the Celtic WELSH and French-speaking WALLOONS. Anyway, all this can be researched and found by a simple search in Wikipedia. In short, the historical connection and 'equality' between the terms Vlach and Roman is well established and a known fact. This is also proven by the simple fact that Poles call Italy WLOCHY. There is also another fact: in old Anglo-Saxon the term for Romans or Romanized Celts was RUMWALAS (some would argue a composition of the two terms Roman and Vlach/Wealh).

The term Roman became a synonym for "Greek" only after 1821 with the establishment of the modern Greek state and the decision of various state-sponsored "historians" to butcher historal texts for purposes of fraud and forgery. I hope that helps.


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[Carlin]

African architecture and folkloric elements of the Aegean islands.

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Historical Documents: Albanians (and other peoples) in various islands.

Presence of Albanians located in the northeastern Aegean islands (Samos, Psara) and some islands of the Cyclades (Andros, Ios, Kea, Kythnos). Some random examples:

Andros:

"The inhabitants are estimated at 6000. There is an east coast town and 60 villages. Highlights are the sandpit and the Arna, inhabited by Arvanites, one thousand two hundred souls." From the diary of the French traveler Thevenot (1655). The Albanian settlement on Andros became Frankish in the first quarter of the 15th century. Second settlement was around the late 15th century."

The vicar general of Greece in 1828 wrote: "850 families in the northwestern part of Andros with Albanian dialect and customs." (AF 20, 21 March 1828, page 83).

Ios:

"Throughout the island there is only a small town on a hillside. The inhabitants are ethnic Albanians and brave. Faced with courage privateers." (Francois Richard, 1650).

Samos:

Among the settlers of Samos included many Albanians. Albanians Samos reported including one French missionarios which an anonymous report in the early 18 th century, he notes, that lived mostly in the mountains of the island, engaged in farming. (LA Martin: �Lettres edifiantes et curieuses concernan lAsie, lAfrique et lAmerique avec quelques relations nouvelles des missions et des notes geographiques et historiques�, Vol. 1, Paris, pp. 131, Paris, 1838. C Guerin, who came into the middle of the next century, the island, notes that residents of Arvanites (Upper - Lower), although they spoke good Greek, preserved but some of their own words).

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I would love to hear responses and 'justifications' from Louis and other modern Greeks - especially since the links provided are from a Greek website.


- Let's continue...

Villages of NW Peloponnese in the 15th century.

The data comes from a book by V. Panagiotopoulos: "Population and Settlements of the Peloponnese, 13th -18th centuries", ed History Archives, Commercial Bank of Greece, Athens, 1987.

Note that in column (c) (third column) the nationalities of people are displayed, as per the author:
E = Greeks / Hellenes.
A = Albanians.

The author, who should be praised for this work, has chosen to apparently ignore Slavs and Vlachs and has elected to put them together under the mythological category "E" (Hellenes) on account that some were bilingual (that is, they spoke both Greek & Slavic, or Greek & Vlach).

Some of the Greek settlements in Peloponnese bear the following names: Chalandritsa, Mokiste, Sfardina, Vesini, Porta, Kostena, Arvanokastro, Politsa, Franka Villa, Garditsko, Strogovo (I KID YOU NOT, check the link for yourself), Stamiro, Tarpouni, Spiani, Germena, Doumna, Sklavitsa, Karida, Djoia, Vlapa, Livarzi, Kressovo.

LINKS:

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[Epirot]

That's great! I haven't been active for quite some time, but I see a proliferation of valuable materials that are worthy of analyzing! thanks carlin

[Carlin]

Slavs in Central Greece (Aetolia-Acarnania).

Sklavinoi (Slavs) found in Central Greece, says historian K. Sathas in his "Turkish-occupied Greece."

So the historian explains that the Slavs came to Central Greece - not from the north, but, from the south, i.e. from the Peloponnese!

Specifically, between the years 1689-94, the Turkish troops under General Khalil defeated in the Peloponnese the Venetian army in almost all fortified positions. In contrast, opposite Central Greece, gangs decimating armatoloi and expel the Turks from everywhere. Then Christian troops in the Peloponnese with Venetian flags, deserted from the Peloponnese along with centuries already established Slavs going towards Central to exploit the gap power, which had been created and benefit from looting. ("Turkish-occupied Greece," Mr Satha, pp. 405.)

The modern nation-states base their existence to the establishment and maintenance of "national" myths, stemming from counterfeit arbitrary conclusions and historical arguments.

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[Carlin]

African elements of the islands of the Aegean.

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Access link to view all pictures.

The series of images on the traditional architecture -white squares painted houses with blue doors and windows, from the Bodrum of Turkey. The bottom row, from Sidi Bou Said in Tunisia, which the tourist guides as an example of the city with typical traditional Tunisian architecture.

Left: Traditional Tunisian costume and right Greek

The fez comes from the Turkish fes and was from the city of Fez in Morocco, the only source until the 19th century production of traditional hats with special red. In Crete, the fez was named tynisiotiko.

The breeches, a Traditional costume island of Crete and other Aegean islands, from the tribe of Berber Algerian Zouava (Zouaoua or Zwāwa). In the Aegean came from pirates. The zouava recruited by the French army during the French occupation of Algeria and formed the corps of Zouaves an essential element of their school martial their traditional breeches. In the picture above pictured left zouave French officer with breeches (1885) and Cretan right.

The girl left photo is from Tunisia (1910), decorated with traditional Tunisian (Berber) ornaments . The other girls are from Karpathos, decorated with traditional Greek ornaments.

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"The rural population of Corinth are Albanians" -- Edmud Laurent Peter, 1818.

[Risto the Great]

Interesting Carlin.
Thank you

[makedonche]

Carlin
..here,here! very interesting and informative!

[Carlin]

Inhabitants of Greece through the eyes of various foreign visitors and travelers.

"The once glorious Athens is so desolate that it seems incredible that it was once glorious. I, for one, did not see anywhere a more terrible place. Wilderness, swamps...." �DAramon, French ambassador.

"The population of Samos is Turkish." Ruy Gonzales de Clavijo, envoy of the king of Castile, Henry III, the court of Tamerlane.

"Eleusis is now a poor village with 1,200 inhabitants, mostly Albanians." - John Fulleylove MClymont JA, 1902.

"The Albanians from Arcadia are three times more numerous than the Turks." � (The present state of the Morea called Peloponesus, Bernard Randolph, an English traveler, London, 1686).

"Kos is inhabited by Turks." (Pierre Belon, a French physician and botanist, 1546.)

"It was almost uninhabited, Mykonos." Thevenot (1655).

[Carlin]

Anglo-Bavarian origin of the modern Greek flag.

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- Advocates of Greek nationalist circles state that the Greek flag is a symbol of freedom. The Greek flag, however, symbolizes precisely those "values" that have led to the current situation in Greece (conflict, corruption, theocracy, underdevelopment, etc). In this article we will examine how our 'national' flag came into existence and what it symbolizes.

- Another myth of Greekness:

The choice of colors and the shape of the flag of the modern Greek state is another myth of Hellenism, the young students in schools being taught that the colors symbolize supposedly the blue of the Aegean Sea and the white of the waves, while the nine stripes of the syllables of the words "freedom or death".

The majority of the present inhabitants of Greece ignore the reality that the colors of the flag of modern Greece (blue and white) were defined by Otto, to match the colors of the flag of Bavaria, while the form of the flag (five blue and four white horizontal stripes with a cross on the left) is determined by the Anglophile Mavrokordatos and is a mere copy of the flag of the British colonialists in India.

- Decision to establish the new flag of the state

On March 15, 1822 was issued Decision No. 540 of the provisional administration signed by President Alexander Mavrokordatos, which determines the shape of the flag. In fact identified three types of flags: a war on land (light blue with a large white cross) and two sea: commercial (blue with white square on the left and cross in blue) and war (blue and identical in form the current flag, we know). Since then subsequent series of decrees, which made several variations on the types and sizes of flags (subtractions royal decorations, crown, image of St. George, etc.).

Of the various types of flag did not change the format (just the color) of the war flag of the sea. This article will deal specifically with the flag and their reasons, selecting the form and color that has been identified itself completely with the concept of the modern Greek nation / state and is now the official-fits-all-events flag of modern Greece.

Anglophile Mavrokordatos copies the flag of the English colonizers

Mavrokordatos, both during the revolution, and for Otto was the foremost exponent of the English policy. We chose a form of the Greek flag the flag of the infamous colonial British East India Company, the-under the auspices of the English state-of East India Company.

A company, which plundered the riches of India (cotton, salt, etc.). An Indian rebellion in 1857 was crushed in blood by mass killings of civilians. The company further enriched by smuggling opium to China. The opium produced in India at minimal cost, went to China through corrupt state apparatus, which traded mainly with tea and silk products, strong buying interest found in England. The reaction of the Chinese opium smuggling THE East India Company in 1839 led the two countries to war.

- The modern Greek flag (Anglo-Bavarian protectorate), marked with the distinctive Christian cross, represents nothing more than the religious orientation of the new Greek state.

PS: Access link to view the flag of the East India Company.

The flag shown was of the East India Company (1700). Originally six red and five white horizontal stripes, which was later reduced to five and four respectively. The cross on the left is St. George and symbolizes the Kingdom of England. The semantic aspect of the choice of form of modern Greek flag, carried by expressive English policy Mavrokordatos.

[Carlin]

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The medieval deserted Aegean islands

(And their subsequent settlements,
according to descriptions of rare
foreign archaeologists, historians and travelers)

The neo-Greek nationalism is targeting Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer, one of historians, who questioned the myth of continuity in Greece space and time, which, however, was created only in the 19th century by theorists of Hellenism, which have tried to persuade the Slavs, Vlachs, Albanians, etc. that they are supposedly descendants of ancient Greeks. Fallmerayer, however, was not the only one. In this article, focusing on the situation prevailing in the Aegean Islands in the Middle Ages listed unknown and rare testimonies of many travelers (historians of antiquity, etc.), which in a time span of hundreds of years many describe as uninhabited islands, totally deserted. Scourges were Major wars, frequent and deadly epidemics, piracy, due to which thousands of islanders-and not only dragged into slavery in the bazaars of the East. Population empty replenished from time to time various groups of people from other places, such as North Africa, the East and in many cases, as we shall see, the poor Albanians. Article was translated in extracts from the works of the English historian and archaeologist Frederick William Hasluck (1878-1920): " Depopulation in the Aegean Islands and the Turkish Conquest "(�he Annual of the British School at Athens, Vol. 17, 1910/1911, pp. 151-181) and"Albanian Settlements in the Aegean Islands "(�he Annual of the British School at Athens, Vol. 15, 1908/1909, pp. 223-228).

Albanians appeared in Thessaly around 1350 (Miller, Latins in the Levant, 247) and soon regions Aetolia and Akarnania (Ibid. 293).Distinguished for their military skills and many have served as mercenaries inthe Despotate of Morea (Ibid. 283). Invited to colonize the Attica by Catalans (Ibid. 317) and Euboua by the Venetians (Ibid. 366). Phases during which penetrated the Albanians in Greece are known. (See From Spata and the Tattoo, the Halandri and Loutsa ... ) Ten thousand Albanians eventually, under pressure from the Turks, migrated north and Theodore Palaeologus put them in the Peloponnese for the colonization of deserted areas. (Constituted an important factor and the military in the late 19th-early 20th century, an already significant part of the population of Arcadia and Argolis.)

Conclusion:

From this study it seems that the islands were inhabited better and more prosperous after the final installation of the Turks than before. Even those who were devastated by the raids of Barbarossa, had been restored to good condition. It is particularly important that smaller islands began colonized by immigrant populations shepherds and that many islands were completely deserted for a hundred years, at the end of the century and gained enough population began to thrive. This was due to various causes. Between 1566, when the last islands (with the exception of Tinos) officially became Turkish and the beginning of the Cretan War, peace with Venice was not broken until the Veneto-Turkish War (1570-3) and piracy, the biggest scourges of the Archipelago.

The final union of the islands under one flag lowered taxes by reducing it to just a tribute, which already pays the Latin islands for many years and limited to some extent the activities of wandering adventurers of both sides. Specifically, the expulsion of the Knights of Rhodes, a political necessity for the Turks after the conquest of Egypt, took a constant cause conflicts. The knights were busy defenses in Malta and the campaigns against the Muslims close neighbors and the flag was rarely seen in the Aegean islands. Admittedly, that after 1560, the Knights of St. Stephen, to some extent replaced that of St. John, but in general, piracy and the slave trade was in the hands of Berber pirates and the center of gravity of decadent crusade on both sides turned to the western Mediterranean. The shores of the eastern Mediterranean, as far as Egypt was now Turkish and the Turkish fleet s more efficient - now enjoyed greater security.

Mikropeirateies small boats flourished, as always, with Mani starring until early in the 17th century. Descendant ... Ancient Greeks from Cyprus playing traditional Arabic instruments al ʿ ūd ( lute ). 10,000 Armenian settlers settled in Cyprus, where the 578, the island was almost deserted (History of the Greek Nation, ed "Publishing Athens", Vol. H, p 183-4, see foreigners in xerailes and deserts ). traces There clearly structured formal effort to colonized the abandoned and deserted islands by pirates. As noted, the migrations of Albanians, is characteristic of the second half of the 16th century. The known dates of such settlements is 1571-2 for Fisherman and Samos in 1575 for iOS, which partially or entirely populated by Albanians. The first recorded such Hydra facilities is 1580 (Miaoulis, Hist. Hydras, 36).According to Millo, at the same time and all were colonized abandoned mikronisia the same way. The Albanians, who were introduced to the islands, was imprisoned by Uludj Ali during his campaign in the Adriatic before the Battle of Lepanto (Paruta, Guerra di Cipro, 114, Hammer-Hellert, vi. 418-9) or suppression of a temporary abetted the rebellion in Venice and Drin Boiana (Paruta, loc. cit. 75). In theory inspired by settlements power comes an unexpected confirmation from a Turkish source, a relevant document Hadji Khalfa of 1570.