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The Real Ethnic Composition of Modern Greece
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Last edited by El Bre; 09-11-2008, 09:47 AM.
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Originally posted by sydney View Postspot on. i only pity the grkomani, i do not seek to claim them, they are greek in the modern sense of the word.
How long will you maintain the rage?
I know one Macedonian who can barely live in that country. He is virtually the equivalent of the Muslims wearing hijabs and completely unable to speak English in Australia. Very much marginalised and a social outcast after the 80 year strategy in Northern Greece. He is what we Macedonians respect and admire. He is 50 years old and unmarried due to his no-compromise brand of being Macedonian in a country that remains backwards in human rights.
Is this what we want for our Macedonian brothers & sisters in Greece?
We want them to rise up for their human rights. We are talking about people oppressed for 600 years. They are so whipped they even believe the new brand of Greekness is a superior culture. How utterly pathetic. Is this rational thought? Clearly not, but we are talking about Greece!
Yet these people hate mixed marriages in Greece. They are still annoyed at the preferential treatment of the transplanted Christians from Turkey and make fun of the Macedonians who pretend to not remember how their ancestors were not the ideal Greeks they have become now.
I do not call these people Grkomani. They are modern Greeks in an ethnically diverse environment that denies diverse ethnicities. But modern Greeks like the Macedonians of Greece used to be very different people 50 years ago. Many like me are testament to that.Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostThey live there ... in a country that does not let them be anything else.
How long will you maintain the rage?
I know one Macedonian who can barely live in that country. He is virtually the equivalent of the Muslims wearing hijabs and completely unable to speak English in Australia. Very much marginalised and a social outcast after the 80 year strategy in Northern Greece. He is what we Macedonians respect and admire. He is 50 years old and unmarried due to his no-compromise brand of being Macedonian in a country that remains backwards in human rights.
Is this what we want for our Macedonian brothers & sisters in Greece?
We want them to rise up for their human rights. We are talking about people oppressed for 600 years. They are so whipped they even believe the new brand of Greekness is a superior culture. How utterly pathetic. Is this rational thought? Clearly not, but we are talking about Greece!
Yet these people hate mixed marriages in Greece. They are still annoyed at the preferential treatment of the transplanted Christians from Turkey and make fun of the Macedonians who pretend to not remember how their ancestors were not the ideal Greeks they have become now.
I do not call these people Grkomani. They are modern Greeks in an ethnically diverse environment that denies diverse ethnicities. But modern Greeks like the Macedonians of Greece used to be very different people 50 years ago. Many like me are testament to that.
They were the most enthusiastic makedonomachi.I guess they ll turn in their graves ..if their grandchildren (who have Greek as mother language) refuse they are Greek.
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Originally posted by toothpaste View PostMost of the people you call Grecomans ,have lost grandfathers who fought and were killed for the Greek cause against the Bulgarians.
They were the most enthusiastic makedonomachi.I guess they ll turn in their graves ..if their grandchildren (who have Greek as mother language) refuse they are Greek.
People ratting out their friends and neighbours being turned into a noble endeavour. Now I've heard it all.
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Originally posted by El Bre View Post1.Oh how romantic. Go stick your face back into a book and leave the history to those who acutally lived it.
2.People ratting out their friends and neighbours being turned into a noble endeavour. Now I've heard it all.
1.You re too dazed of your nationalism ,so u see everything blurred.There was a nasty war these times..and victims suffered both sides.
If you believe your ancestors were pure as white pigeons..go on ,but you ll sound somehow between romantic and silly.
As for "those actually lived history" ,my great grandfather was assassinated by locals of the Exarchy (my grandfather called them "Bulgarians") in the beginning of the 20th cent.
My family also suffered during the occupation of Eastern Macedonia by the Bulgarians in WWI (1916) and WWII (1943)...counting 2 more victims.
You know...there are not any pure and innocent nations.
2.Some of these people you re talking about(slavophone Greeks or Grecomans or whatever) ,were tortured and preferred to die instead of denying what they wanted to self-determinate themselves-Greeks.
Does the right of self-determination exist only for you ?Last edited by toothpaste; 09-14-2008, 02:52 PM.
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Originally posted by toothpaste View Post2.Some of these people you re talking about(slavophone Greeks or Grecomans or whatever) ,were tortured and preferred to die instead of denying what they wanted to self-determinate themselves-Greeks.
They can call themselves Greek.
We will call ourselves Macedonian as we always have.
... But I wonder what they meant by "Greeks" when they fought for it.Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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1.You re too dazed of your nationalism ,so u see everything blurred.There was a nasty war these times..and victims suffered both sides.
If you believe your ancestors were pure as white pigeons..go on ,but you ll sound somehow between romantic and silly.
My ancestors were millers and stone masons with going concerns. They had little interest in the politics of Greeks, Bulgarians or their patron states. When the time came to fight, they fought for the interests of Macedonia and Macedonians.
As for "those actually lived history" ,my great grandfather was assassinated by locals of the Exarchy (my grandfather called them "Bulgarians") in the beginning of the 20th cent.
My family also suffered during the occupation of Eastern Macedonia by the Bulgarians in WWI (1916) and WWII (1943)...counting 2 more victims.
2.Some of these people you re talking about(slavophone Greeks or Grecomans or whatever) ,were tortured and preferred to die instead of denying what they wanted to self-determinate themselves-Greeks.
Does the right of self-determination exist only for you ?
If you believe your ancestors were pure as white pigeons..go on
By the way Toothpaste. Were your people "Slavophone Greeks"?Last edited by El Bre; 09-14-2008, 10:10 PM.
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Originally posted by Risto the Great View PostWe have a deal.
They can call themselves Greek.
We will call ourselves Macedonian as we always have.
... But I wonder what they meant by "Greeks" when they fought for it.
You can call yourself whatever you like.When did i refuse that for you?
As for...what did they mean by Greek? I m not sure to tell you.Are you sure about what all people of the region meant by "Macedonian" in 1900's?
I already told you-some neighboring villages of my grandfather's village were "Bulgarian" at that times...in Macedonia.
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Originally posted by toothpaste View PostDeal.
You can call yourself whatever you like.When did i refuse that for you?
As for...what did they mean by Greek? I m not sure to tell you.Are you sure about what all people of the region meant by "Macedonian" in 1900's?
I already told you-some neighboring villages of my grandfather's village were "Bulgarian" at that times...in Macedonia.
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Originally posted by toothpaste View PostDeal.
You can call yourself whatever you like.When did i refuse that for you?
As for...what did they mean by Greek? I m not sure to tell you.Are you sure about what all people of the region meant by "Macedonian" in 1900's?
I already told you-some neighboring villages of my grandfather's village were "Bulgarian" at that times...in Macedonia.
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Bulgarian=Patriarchist
So you wonder what they meant, I can actually tell you, it meant that they were not Bulgar, Serb or Greek, only Macedonian, would you like to see the quote?Macedonian Truth Organisation
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Originally posted by Daskalot View PostGreek=Patriarchist
Bulgarian=Patriarchist
So you wonder what they meant, I can actually tell you, it meant that they were not Bulgar, Serb or Greek, only Macedonian, would you like to see the quote?
My village's ppl don't remember any Macedonians.Just Greek(Ellines) ,Bulgarians(Voulgari) and Turks (Turki).
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