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  • TrueMacedonian
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    • Jan 2009
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    #31
    Nice post Bill. I remember seeing a post like that on here just don't remember the topic.

    Here's some more about our Bulgar friends and the fantasies their forefathers invented;

    In 1867 the Society (Society for Bulgarian Literature) sponsored the foundation of the St. Cyril and Methodius School, the most important of all Bulgarian schools. It was named after the brothers Cyril and Methodius, the two monks responsible for inventing the Cyrillic alphabet, whom Bulgarian nationalists declared to be Bulgarian nationals.
    Nationalism, globalization, and orthodoxy, Victor Roudometof page 134.

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    • Bratot
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 2855

      #32
      Originally posted by Bill77 View Post
      Onur i have something i picked up and saved from one of the threads here on MTO. Not sure who posted it though. here it is.





      and this,




      This place shits all over Wiki

      You can find all of this in "Fields of wheat, hills of blood: passages to nationhood in Greek Macedonia" by Anastasia N. Karakasidou

      here:
      Deftly combining archival sources with evocative life histories, Anastasia Karakasidou brings welcome clarity to the contentious debate over ethnic identities and nationalist ideologies in Greek Macedonia. Her vivid and detailed account demonstrates that contrary to official rhetoric, the current people of Greek Macedonia ultimately derive from profoundly diverse ethnic and cultural backgrounds. Throughout the last century, a succession of regional and world conflicts, economic migrations, and shifting state formations has engendered an intricate pattern of population movements and refugee resettlements across the region. Unraveling the complex social, political, and economic processes through which these disparate peoples have become culturally amalgamated within an overarchingly Greek national identity, this book provides an important corrective to the Macedonian picture and an insightful analysis of the often volatile conjunction of ethnicities and nationalisms in the twentieth century. "Combining the thoughtful use of theory with a vivid historical ethnography, this is an important, courageous, and pioneering work which opens up the whole issue of nation-building in northern Greece."—Mark Mazower, University of Sussex
      The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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      • TrueMacedonian
        Banned
        • Jan 2009
        • 3823

        #33
        Here's something on Robert college in Istanbul and how the Bulgarians praise this school - http://books.google.com/books?id=2dK...arians&f=false

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        • TrueMacedonian
          Banned
          • Jan 2009
          • 3823

          #34
          This made me fall off my seat. The Bulgars are now making claims to ancient traditions



          Bulgaria is especially proud of its rich folklore traditions. Folk dances, music, national costumes and traditional rituals have an important place in the life of Bulgarians. Every town and village celebrates Christian holidays and folk festivities in its own special way. Bulgarian wine tradition dates back to the era of the Thrace and has been honored since the times of Homer.

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          • TrueMacedonian
            Banned
            • Jan 2009
            • 3823

            #35
            This is for all you ufologists out there in Bulgaria

            Researchers for the country's Space Research Institute said they are currently working on deciphering a complex set of symbols sent to them.


            Aliens? They're already living among us, claim Bulgarian government scientists

            By Daily Mail Reporter
            Last updated at 3:54 PM on 26th November 2009

            Aliens are already among us on Earth, say Bulgarian government scientists who claim they are in contact with them.
            Researchers for the country's Space Research Institute said they are currently working on deciphering a complex set of symbols sent to them.
            They claim the aliens are in the process of answering 30 questions posed to them by the Bulgarians.

            Lachezar Filipov, deputy director of the Space Research Institute of the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences, confirmed the research was under way.
            In all, his team are analysing 150 crop circles from around the world which they believe answer questions beamed into outer space.

            Mr Filipov said: 'Aliens are currently all around us, and are watching us all the time.
            'They are not hostile towards us, rather, they want to help us but we have not grown enough in order to establish direct contact with them.'
            Mr Filipov added that even the seat of the Catholic church, the Vatican, had agreed that aliens existed.
            In his words, the humans are not going to be able to establish contact with the extraterrestrials through radio waves but through the power of thought.
            He told the novinite newspaper: 'The human race was certainly going to have direct contact with the aliens in the next 10 to 15 years.

            'Extraterrestrials are critical of the people's amoral behavior referring to the humans' interference in nature's processes.'

            Filipov's team is reported to be analysing crop circles which appeared around the globe in the past year.
            The publication of the BAS researchers report concerning communicating with aliens comes in the midst of a controversy over the role, feasibility, and reform of the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences.
            Last week it lead to a heated debate between Bulgaria's Finance Minister, Simeon Djankov, and President Georgi Parvanov.



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            • Soldier of Macedon
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 13675

              #36
              Originally posted by Bill77
              Originally posted by Onur View Post
              I read in several sources that after 1878, when Russians took control of Bulgaria, they literally changed everything in Bulgaria, including their language, education system and even their historical concept. I even heard that their history and archival documents has been rewritten.

              Anyone knows any article or a document of what kind of things changes occurred in Bulgaria after they "liberated"!?
              Onur i have something i picked up and saved from one of the threads here on MTO. Not sure who posted it though. here it is.


              "American missionaries working in Bulgaria in the 1850s created the first standardized Bulgarian script, choosing to base the national language on the dialect of Thrace and eastern Macedonia rather than on that spoken in the regions of northern Bulgaria. Until the work of such American missionaries, memories of an ecclesiastical past in Bulgaria had been preserved in large part only by Slavonic monks. The American Board of Missionaries, with their network of locally posted missionaries, intentionally or not assisted nascent Bulgarian national elites to forge a different picture of the past.

              Dr. Elias Riggs, for example, crossed "European Turkey" in the late 1840s and in 1847 compiled a Bulgarian grammar primer. According to Tsanoff (1919:ix), it had been the American missionaries who had discovered (or, we might say, helped to invent) the Bulgarian nation. They published some of the first books in Bulgarian, and in 1864 began putting out the first monthly magazine in the region written in Bulgarian."

              and this,


              Macedonian shares peculiar relationships with a number of Slavic languages, with Bulgarian and Serbian being closest. It is logical to consider that significant parts of the languages and dialects, to a degree, will be very similar and therefore mutually intelligible. The definitive suffix that is unique to Macedonian and Bulgarian indicates a certain commonality (at least for a period of time) that has not been shared with Serbian, which can give Bulgarian a more Macedonian 'sound' than Serbian can.
              Quote:

              The American Missionaries printed a dictionary using a Macedonian dialect and called it "Bulgarian" which was eventually chosen to be the national language of modern Bulgaria.
              The missionaries used an eastern Macedonian dialect if I recall correctly, because it was in between Macedonia and Bulgaria and "could" serve as a compromise medium that would be generally understood by most, I am not 100% certain, but they way I remember it, Bulgarians eventually rejected this dialect, as they did with the attempted literary 'language' used by the Miladinov brothers, which is essentially Macedonian in any case. When Bulgaria was created by Russia, the dialects of the north-east of Moesia were used to form the core of the new Bulgarian literary language, a far distance from the capital established by the Russians in Sofia, which is near Macedonia. So, in the haste of birth, Bulgaria's capital was on one side of the new entity and the official language was on the other.

              Furthermore, even today, literary Macedonian and Macedonian dialects in general are still closer to the Bogatsko dialect of the 16th century than they are to the Bulgarian literary
              This place shits all over Wiki
              Hey, that's my writing, post #55 on the below link:




              And yes, I could bury every single wiki article on Macedonia and Macedonians.
              In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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              • Bill77
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2009
                • 4545

                #37
                Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View Post
                Hey, that's my writing, post #55 on the below link:




                And yes, I could bury every single wiki article on Macedonia and Macedonians.

                I was 99.9% sure it would have been you mate. Love your work.
                http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?p=120873#post120873

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                • TrueMacedonian
                  Banned
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 3823

                  #38
                  Pulevski on the Bulgarian propaganda in Macedonia, 1879!

                  June 8, 1879

                  Georgi Pulevski to Despot Badzovic

                  …The Bulgarians here are playing tricks with us and are turning the water to their mill alongside divine Nathaniel, who is a Macedonian, but rather inclined towards the Bulgarians…

                  Arhiv Srbije (Beograd) Fond: Ministarstvo prosvete, P. nbr. 981/8.VI.1879; Razgledi XIV/10 (1972), p. 1132.
                  (from makedonika.com)

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                  • Soldier of Macedon
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 13675

                    #39
                    Originally posted by TrueMacedonian View Post
                    Pulevski on the Bulgarian propaganda in Macedonia, 1879!

                    June 8, 1879

                    Georgi Pulevski to Despot Badzovic

                    …The Bulgarians here are playing tricks with us and are turning the water to their mill alongside divine Nathaniel, who is a Macedonian, but rather inclined towards the Bulgarians…

                    Arhiv Srbije (Beograd) Fond: Ministarstvo prosvete, P. nbr. 981/8.VI.1879; Razgledi XIV/10 (1972), p. 1132.
                    (from makedonika.com)
                    Here is the whole letter and some more from a book that I have about Pulevski:

                    Below are two letters sent by Gorgi Pulevski during the end of the 1870's. They are addressed to the Badzovic brothers, the first to Kuzman, and the second to Despot. Pulevski writes in a Macedonian dialect but some of the vocabulary displays influence from other Slavic languages. This aside, his Macedonian sentiments are
                    In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

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                    • TrueMacedonian
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                      • Jan 2009
                      • 3823

                      #40
                      Something SoM posted in another topic;

                      In present-day Bulgaria, the image of Hilandarski adorns two-Leva banknotes, presenting him as the man who envisioned the modern Bulgarian nation-state, while that of Rigas Velestinlis-Pheraios figures on ten cent Greek Euro coins. At the time, such recognition would have seemed absurd.
                      "A brief history of the late Ottoman Empire", by M. Sukru Hanioglu page 26

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                      • TrueMacedonian
                        Banned
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 3823

                        #41


                        The Germans have a knack for inventing pseudo-terminologies. Droysen invented 'hellenism' and Leskien invented 'Old Bulgarian'.

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                        • Bratot
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 2855

                          #42

                          "История на България" издателство на БАН, 1955г., Том Втори, стр. 766

                          "The History of Bulgaria" published by Bulgarian Academy of Sciences, year 1955, Volume II, pg. 766.

                          "..The Hitler's agents, Tsar Boris and Filov have sent the Bulgarian occupation forces in Macedonia and ..."
                          Last edited by Bratot; 10-18-2010, 04:08 AM.
                          The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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                          • George S.
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                            • Aug 2009
                            • 10116

                            #43
                            If i remember correctly there are no real bulgarians.It's all tartars,the tartars adopted the macedonian language.The bulgarians can say & write all they want because it's all myths & lies.
                            "Ido not want an uprising of people that would leave me at the first failure, I want revolution with citizens able to bear all the temptations to a prolonged struggle, what, because of the fierce political conditions, will be our guide or cattle to the slaughterhouse"
                            GOTSE DELCEV

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                            • TrueMacedonian
                              Banned
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 3823

                              #44
                              Bulgarian propaganda at its finest right here - http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=121743

                              Bulgaria Honors Glagolitic Alphabet on Enlighteners' Day
                              Culture | November 1, 2010, Monday


                              The Glagolitic exhibit was authored by artist Pavlin Petrov. Bulgaria's Foreign Minister Nikolay Mladenov opened a special exhibit for November 1, Bulgarian Enlighteners' Day, dedicated to the first Slavic alphabet known as Glagolitsa.

                              The Glagolitic alphabet, or Glagolitsa, was the original alphabet drafted by Byzantine monks St. Cyril and St. Methodius in 855 AD in their mission to spread the Christian word among the Slavs, even though the term for its name was not coined until the late Middle Ages – from the verb glagoliti meaning "to speak".

                              The Glagolitic alphabet was based on the three major symbols in Christianity – a cross, a circle, and a triangle.

                              St. Kliment Ohridski, the most important Bulgarian disciple of St. Cyril and St. Methodius, while serving the Bulgarian king Boris I later modified the Glagolitic alphabet in the late 9th century because he found its letters were too hard to write.

                              Based on it, he created the Bulgarian alphabet that he named "Cyrillic" after his teacher St. Cyril, which was introduced by the First Bulgarian Empire, and was then also adopted by other Slavic states in the south and east, including Serbia and Russia.

                              "The most real Bulgarian alphabet is the Glagolitic. It combines in itself a new beginning for Bulgaria and the Balkans and in many monasteries this alphabet is still kept alive. Each letter in this alphabet has a name of its own, and there is an idea enshrined in each of those names," Bulgarian Foreign Minister Mladenov said at the opening of the Glagolitic exhibit at the Cultural Institute of the Foreign Ministry before foreign diplomats.

                              Mladenov believes that the Enlighteners' Day, November 1, and the Day of the Slavic Script and Bulgarian Culture, and of St. Cyril and St. Methodius, May 24, are the two most genuine Bulgarian holidays.

                              Another exhibition about the Glagolitic alphabet was opened on Monday in Plovdiv by the Union of Plovdiv Artists.


                              I don't think so Mladenov.

                              Even in the eighth century we read that the Bulgarian prince had among his counsellors men who spoke "Greek, Bulgarian and Slav." A certain parallel may perhaps be drawn between the Bulgars and the band of Scandinavian adventurers in Russia, who imposed upon a group of scattered and disorganised tribes a definite state organisation and a national name, and then became merged in the subjected population. During the eighth century we find the Bulgarians involved in repeated and bloody conflicts with Byzantium, of which the most notable were the seven campaigns of Constantine V. With the dawn of the ninth century there arose the mightiest of all Bulgarian rulers, the shadowy figure of Krum, whose kingdom stretched from the Carpathians far into Thrace and included portions of Southern and Eastern Hungary. In 811 Krum defeated and killed the Emperor Nicephorus after fearful carnage, and conquered Adrianople; but for his death three years later Byzantium itself might have become his prey. Scarcely less remarkable as a ruler was Boris (852-888), whose reign coincided with the epoch-making activity of the Slav apostles, Cyril and Methodius. These two men, the sons of a high officer in Thessalonica, who was probably of Slav birth, were the inventors of the so-called Glagolitic alphabet, and thus the real founders of "Old Slavonic," the parent language of Slav liturgies and literatures. At this distance of time it is almost impossible to determine what language they took as the basis of their alphabet, but it is probable that they used the Slav dialect then spoken in Eastern Macedonia, adding various linguistic ingredients which we should today call Slovak, Slovene, and Wend. It is a matter of common knowledge that their chief labours were among the Pannonian Slavs, and in the powerful but short-lived Moravian Empire, whose capital, Nitra, was Methodius's archiepiscopal seat; and the chief Slavistic authorities of the present day are inclined to reject the theories which identify "Old Slavonic" with "Old Bulgarian" or "Old Slovene," but rather to treat it as a composite and theoretical language.
                              The rise of nationality in the Balkans By Robert William Seton-Watson pages 71-72

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                              • fyrOM
                                Banned
                                • Feb 2010
                                • 2180

                                #45
                                Could this be finaly forcing Bulgaria to admit that there is a Macedonian minority.


                                Bulgaria to respect the rights of the Macedonians



                                Commissioner for Human Rights of the Council of Europe, Thomas Hammarberg said in a letter which he sent to the Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov on human rights of national and religious minorities, and addresses the problems with the right to freedom of association and assembly of the Macedonian minority in Bulgaria .

                                Hammarberg on this occasion is urgently required by the Bulgarian authorities to take care of fully and effectively respect the rights and freedoms of the minority, especially their right to freedom of association and peaceful gathering.

                                Hamrberg Commissioner reminds the authorities of Bulgaria to the determination that the right of a minority is a major principle which should be based on any democratic pluralistic society and this principle should be implemented effectively for all minorities, whether they are national, religious or linguistic.

                                In response to Hammarberg sent on 3 November, the Bulgarian Prime Borisov, in terms of respect for the rights of the minority notes that the case of OMO Ilinden Bulgarian authorities have carried out the act all the general measures that were necessary in the understanding and change Law on gatherings, rallies and demonstrations, which put Bulgaria in line with the European Convention on Human Rights ..

                                Borisov claims that while the detailed information that had been submitted for public events organized by the OMO Ilinden and OMO Ilinden-Pirin in the past two years, clearly giving clear that these organizations enjoy the right of free assembly in accordance with the law is enforced. Borisov also argues that the realization of social and cultural activities and OMO Ilinden OMO Ilinden Pirin received support from the Bulgarian authorities.

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