The book that should not exist, Macedonian-Greek lexicon from 1907!

[Daskalot]

Transliterated into the Latin alphabet from the Greek alphabet:

Sumvolai eis tin Diglossian ton Makedonon ek sugkriseos tis Slavophanous Makedonikis glossis pros tin Ellinikin upo K. I. Tsioulka, Athens 1907.

Translated into English:

CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE BILINGUISM OF MACEDONIANS THROUGH THE COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS BETWEEN THE SLAVIC-LIKE MACEDONIAN AND GREEK LANGUAGES By K. I Tsioulka, Athens 1907.

[Serdarot]

beautifull, Daskale

Di-Glosi
Di-GlAsi
Di-GlasOi

but what tooked my opinion, is:

TypografeioY

PetrakoY

btw, we oft call someone whoīs name is Petre or Petar "Petraki". not only in Bitolsko, probably all around RoM...

maybe some of our greek friends can get some info about the publisher? (P.A. PetrakoY)

p.s.

pls someone "translate" also the small text "To Vivlios..."

[Mygdon]

I have come across a quote by that guy and was a bit surprised..

K. I. Tsioulkas (Linguist) - Contributions to the bilingualism of Macedonians from the comparison of the slavophenomenic Macedonian language with greek, 1845

.. proved that there were 1260 greek homeric words and 4000 modern greek words in the language of the slavophone Macedonians of his time

[Daskalot]

I have come across a quote by that guy and was a bit surprised..

K. I. Tsioulkas (Linguist) - Contributions to the bilingualism of Macedonians from the comparison of the slavophenomenic Macedonian language with greek, 1845

Please explain the 1845 reference.
Tsioulkas wrote the book in 1907.

[thessalo-niki]

beautifull, Daskale
pls someone "translate" also the small text "To Vivlios..."

"For those who study, through language, the rights of the Macedonians, this book will be the beginning for new tangible truths for the afthigeneia of these people"
It's rather difficultly written in archaic language. The exact phrase "afthigenia of these people" includes a word from Geology that is not used today in Greece at any form or meaning. It probably means the identity of being indigenous, authochthonous.
The name of the publisher is Petrakos (a rather usual surname).
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[Serdarot]

thank you thessalo-niki

i also think that "afthi-gen-ia" is targeting the "authochtones" by Genos, the natives.

btw, pls expalin how come the Vocal "Y" has the phonetic worth of "S"?

i would sooner concider it as PetrakoV instead of PetrakoS...

@ Artemi:

couse of the laws of lingcuistic and ethymology, i would NEVER use the "bavarian" terminology, and i could not EVER agree to accept those words as "greek".

MUCH MORE than 4000 modern greek words have Macedonian Roots.

that is much more logic and scientific supported.

i donīt care if most of the "western world" is concidering today the earth as a plate. (or translated, they concider OUR, Macedonian Words and Heritage as "greek")

i KNOW it is not a plate.

sooner or later the inquisition will fail, and the truth will be re-established

[thessalo-niki]

thank you thessalo-niki

i also think that "afthi-gen-ia" is targeting the "authochtones" by Genos, the natives.

btw, pls expalin how come the Vocal "Y" has the phonetic worth of "S"?

i would sooner concider it as PetrakoV instead of PetrakoS...

Petrakou is the genitive case of Petrakos. It says "From the prinetry of P.A. Petrakos".
Today Greeks mostly use the term Gigenis (Γηγενής) for local, indigenous, autochthonous. I'm 95% sure afthigenis has the same meaning. That small phrase is typical for archaic language and mentality of scholars 100 years ago: "How to say a simple thing, in the most perplexed way using the most unknown, impressive and enigmatic words"
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[Risto the Great]

That small phrase is typical for archaic language and mentality of scholars 100 years ago: "How to say a simple thing, in the most perplexed way using the most unknown, impressive and enigmatic words"

After finally abandoning the katharevousa experiment in 1976, what percentage of archaic words ended up in the modern Greek language thessalo-niki?

[Soldier of Macedon]

Another great source Daskale, keep em' coming.

[Toska]

what i find amazing is that he claims macedonian has 4000 greek loan words but 100 years before this lexicon was written greek was barely spoken in greece, what does this exactly mean.

[thessalo-niki]

what i find amazing is that he claims macedonian has 4000 greek loan words but 100 years before this lexicon was written greek was barely spoken in greece, what does this exactly mean.

It means you have no idea what you're talkin' about.
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[Bratot]

YouTube - Macedonian-Greek lexicon from 1907

I thought it was already posted before?

[Toska]

It means you have no idea what you're talkin' about.

solun did i hit a nerve, it is well documented that the greek language was resurrected in 1830s, that greek was not spoken in greece, epirus was albanian, thessaly was vlach, athens was albanian/turkish, peloponnese was albanian riduled with macedonian toponyms and "northern greece" lets not go there,

[Serdarot]

Petrakou is the genitive case of Petrakos. It says "From the prinetry of P.A. Petrakos".

so, Petrakosīs printery?

or, if we change "Petrakos" with John, itīs Johnīs printery...

or if we change it with Alexandro, itīs AlexandroY , Alexandroīs money?

to make it easier for you:

FillipoY = Fillipīs money, did i got it right?

That small phrase is typical for archaic language and mentality of scholars 100 years ago: "How to say a simple thing, in the most perplexed way using the most unknown, impressive and enigmatic words"

Like our "journalists" and "reporters". They use words that even they donīt understand correctly, no metter we have our own perfect words to express the thoughts...

[thessalo-niki]

solun did i hit a nerve, it is well documented that the greek language was resurrected in 1830s, that greek was not spoken in greece, epirus was albanian, thessaly was vlach, athens was albanian/turkish, peloponnese was albanian riduled with macedonian toponyms and "northern greece" lets not go there,

No, actually it was someone else's fault. Here's an introduction to our non-existance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language

and the documents (notice the dates)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_literature

(compared to these documents)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_literature

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