1916 Grk Magazine article upset that soldiers in grk army speak Albanian

[julie]

Love your work TM, denial is rampant amongst them, keep posting

[TrueMacedonian]

Negative. Koundouritis was an Arvanite. They consider themselves different from Albanians proper. That said, to say that the majority of Greece's Armed Forces spoke Albanian is just false. He just mentions the Navy.

You should be ashamed of yourself by denying what language was the dominant language in your country's armed forces. Arvanite? Albanian? Ok let us examine something here:


Collective memory, by Victor Roudometof page 155. Hell man if the president in 1925 was proud of being Albanian I am certain Koundo and his sailors were just as proud of being Albanian:


The Albanians, by Edwin E. Jacques. page 328

My gosh this topic is a nightmare for you people.

[Voltron]

Negative. Koundouritis was an Arvanite. They consider themselves different from Albanians proper. That said, to say that the majority of Greece's Armed Forces spoke Albanian is just false. He just mentions the Navy.

[TrueMacedonian]

You posted an excerpt of the book and you want me to comment on a paragraph of it. What do you want me to say exactly ? I dont even know what sources the author is using. I just see numbers which I wouldnt even know where they got that either. Its too ambiguos to comment on. That being said, each leader tries to maximise their countries power and land. Espescially during times like those it was all up in the air. He did what he had to do, regardless if you find it right or wrong. Its just being realistic.

I think you need to wipe your glasses clean. Here it all is in different sources especially from Venizelos himself:

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Now call me crazy but it seems that Albanian was the dominant language spoken in your country's Armed Forces less than 100 years ago. I think this says alot about your kind and the fiction you call Hellenism.

[Voltron]

No one ever said that Onur. I dont know where you got that from. I certainly never said it.

[Onur]

Voltron, even if there are Albanians in Macedonian army, then they are regarded as Albanian citizens of Macedonia but on the other hand, you claim that your Albanians are the children of Homer, brave fighters of Achilles, heirs of Heredotus, beautiful offspring of Zeus who came out from the womb of Athena.

Thats the whole point mate, capish?

You posted an excerpt of the book and you want me to comment on a paragraph of it. What do you want me to say exactly ? I dont even know what sources the author is using. I just see numbers which I wouldnt even know where they got that either. Its too ambiguos to comment on.

Voltron, this book is a bestseller written by using the official records of peace conference in Paris, shortly after WW-1. Also the author of the book is a professor and the grand daughter of Lloyd George, the PM of England and the official representative of the British in 1919. So, that ambiguous numbers belongs to the Venizelos.

C`mon mate, you should be more intelligent if your family is from the Greek community of Fenerbahce(Phanar). Is your US journey made you dull or you became like Arvanites in Greece now?

[julie]

Voltron TrueMacedonian is an academic and our historian, anything he posts here is from credible sources

[Voltron]

You posted an excerpt of the book and you want me to comment on a paragraph of it. What do you want me to say exactly ? I dont even know what sources the author is using. I just see numbers which I wouldnt even know where they got that either. Its too ambiguos to comment on. That being said, each leader tries to maximise their countries power and land. Espescially during times like those it was all up in the air. He did what he had to do, regardless if you find it right or wrong. Its just being realistic.

[TrueMacedonian]

I like this post so much that I think I'll post it again.


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[TrueMacedonian]

Im willing to bet Albanian is also spoken in Macedonia's armed forces, or am I wrong ?

LOL doesn't this tactic grow old? Does it ever really work for you guys? Didn't you guys write a handbook on how to squirm? Anyways so far there hasn't been extreme reports of Albanian being the pre-dominate language spoken in the Macedonian army. When that comes out please provide us with the info.

But since we are back on topic what do you think about Venizelos and his bogus points Veiltron? Should I invite True IWishIWasMacedonian in here or do you guys need time to discuss re-writing the script?

[Voltron]

Ok, but if there was it wouldnt mean anything. Thats all.

[julie]

I doubt there are any Albanians enlisted in Macedonia's armed forces Voltron

[Voltron]

Im willing to bet Albanian is also spoken in Macedonia's armed forces, or am I wrong ?

[TrueMacedonian]

Back on to the original topic on hand:


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Venizelos is a great statesman. His largely Albanian government, with the largely Albanian Army and Navy, and his dumping of Baptised Turks and other non-grk ethnicities in Macedonia in order to "ethnically make Macedonia Greek" in his words, are works of art like Micheangelo or Da Vinci. I applaud his efforts Another source that entertains the sad reality of hellenism. Albanian spoken in the grk army. Wow. But should we all be surprised?

[Voltron]

Modern Greeks are not the descendents of the ancient Greeks” and here is why! Those who today call themselves “Greeks” did not exist as “Greeks” before the Greek state was artificially created by the Philhellenes in the early 1800’s. In fact it is more accurate to call these people “Albanians’, “Vlachs”, “Latins”, “Turks”, “Macedonians” and so on than to call them “Greeks, descendents of the ancient Greeks”.

Unlike the Macedonians who were a nation before they had a country, there was no “Greek nation” before there was a Greek state. In other words, the Greek nation was artificially constructed to fit the country that was created for it by the Philhellenes. The people that made up the so-called “Greek nation” were assimilated Albanians, Vlachs, Turks, Macedonians and others who happened to live in that region. Therefore it is more accurate to say that the “Modern Greeks” are the descendents of the 19th century Albanians, Vlachs, Turks and 20th century Macedonians than it is to say that they are the descendents of the ancient Greeks from 2,600 years ago!

TLWR, your post is a perfect example of what propaganda can do. It is a textbook response in its finest quality. First we have the reference to creation of Greece by Philhellenes. Then we have the reference to minority groups that have lived in Greece with Greeks for years. Just because they have assimilated all of a sudden we all are like that. Then of course we have a reference to the Macedonian Nation before there was Greece. These are textbook hallmark responses that have become a mantra for some people. If you want to truth TLWR, you have to look past that and open up your mind. Not to what you would like to hear because some Greeks have offended you in the past.