Albanians in Greece

[tchaiku]

What is "this" exactly? That's what I don't get.

The assimilation of Albanians, Vlachs, Slavs and others into Greeks.
This thread is about Albanians in Euboea in particular this is how it is related in this forum.

Yeah, it would be great if there was a point at the end of the tunel, on how there is a thread and a series of nonsensical posts on Euboea and how they are related to the forum and lies and propaganda.

[Amphipolis]

This is what we do 80% on this sub-forum, it took you 6 years to make this question since the day you created that account.

What is "this" exactly? That's what I don't get.

[tchaiku]

LOL Gjergji Makri, Nikolla Guri, Gjini Landari in Lichada, Northern Euboea it's all Greek to me.

This is what we do 80% on this sub-forum, it took you 6 years to make this question since the day you created that account.

https://satellites.pro/Lichada_map

[tchaiku]

Yeah, it would be great if there was a point at the end of the tunel, on how there is a thread and a series of nonsensical posts on Euboea and how they are related to the forum and lies and propaganda.

Go to sleep.

[Amphipolis]

Yeah, it would be great if there was a point at the end of the tunel, on how there is a thread and a series of nonsensical posts on Euboea and how they are related to the forum and lies and propaganda.

[tchaiku]

On a Mountain more Northerly is a great wall, above three miles about, and close by it is a Vil∣lage called Cupa. The ruined place they told me was called Amatos. To the North are several good Ports, and there the Inhabitants live more secure than to the South. They reckon to be upon the whole Island not above 60000 soules, of which not above 10000 Turks, who most live under the command of the Castles at Negro Ponte, and Castel Rosso. Here is abundance of silks made, most of which is carryed to Constantinople, towards payment of their tribute, and Decimos. The Grand Signor's Revenue from this great Island, is about 100000 Dollars. As to the Tides motion at the Bridg, I will not trouble the Reader with the several opinions, that men have about it; only that it has been observed by several others, as well as my self, that sometimes it will pass contrary at the one side to the other, and this commonly on a Southerly wind. The next Island we come to in rank to the East is


I will check for Kupa/Cupa in the defter.

[tchaiku]

Doric colonies of Sicily and their roots.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Magna_Graecia_ancient_colonies_and_dialects-en.svg

Syracuse -> Corinth
Casmenai -> Syracuse -> Corinth
Kamarina -> Syracuse -> Corinth
Megara Hyblaea -> Megara
Selinunte -> Megara Hyblaea -> Megara
Heraclea Minoa -> Not known.
Gela -> Rhodes and Crete
Akragas -> Gela -> Rhodes and Crete

Ionic colonies of Sicily:
Zancle -> Euboea
Himaera -> Zancle -> Euboea
Calacte -> Zancle -> Euboea
Naxos -> Euboea
Catania -> Euboea
Leoniti -> Naxos -> Euboea

[tchaiku]

Nikolaos Kriezotis - Arvanite from South Euboea.
'' He led the Revolution of 1843 in Euboea and the following year was elected a delegate to the First National Assembly and to the first Parliament after that. Kriezotis then withdrew to Smyrna, where he died in 1853.''

https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%91%CF%81%CE%B2%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AF%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%82#%CE%94%CE%B9%CE%AC%CF%83%CE%B7%CE%BC%CE%BF%CE%B9_%CE%91%CF%81%CE%B2%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%AF%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%82

[Carlin]

[tchaiku]

Lisada - Northwestern Euboea:
Nikola Kostapetr, Aritidi Kostapetr, Manol Simos, Nikola Kara binar, Kiryako Karabinar, Cyano Karabinar, Yani Apostolo, Dimitri Kamarya, Nikola Kamarya, Nikola diger Kamarya, Mihal Karasuni, Manol Mavro, Yani Balusi, Yani Zinota, Yorgi Iskinari,* Nikola Vasilyor, Kosta Salusi, Kozma Salusi, Yorgi Salusi,

tetim me-i karye-i L i s a d a

Yorgi Salusi diger, Nikola Salusi diger, Yorgi Vasila, Yorgi Ivreto, Yani Ivreto, Kiryako Ivreto, Dimitri Ivreto, Nikola Ivreto, Luka Sayita, Yani Luka, Nikola Luka, Nikola Salvit, Manol Vasilikör, Kosta Vasilikor, Yorgi Makri, Istamad Makri, Nikola Makri, Yani Vlahoni, Yorgi Vasilinor, Istam ad Vasilinor, Kosta Agapito, Nikola Kamaki, Dimitri Kamaki, Yani Kamaki, Petro Kamaki, Dimitri Romaniti, Hristofor Romaniti, Aleksi Romaniti, Dimitri Arab,* Nikola Kamarana, Mihal Kamarana, Yorgi Rasula, Nikola Rasula, Dimitri Rasula, Gin damad-i Rasula, Nikola Krasos, Kostandin Krasos, Nikola Guri, Petro Guri, Istefan Palusi, Yani Kursari, Dimitri Kursari, Vasili Sarandi, Mihal Sarandi, Yorgi Kavaco, Dimitri Kacavo, Petro Kavaco, Todor Atlazi, Dimitri Atlazi, Aleksi Istasuli, Nikola Arcuras, p.* 147 Yorgi Istasuli, Istamad Lazomondas, Andriya Midali, Yorgi Kisaki, Nikola Kisaki, Dimitri Toto, Nikola Toti, Yani Sarandi, Yorgi Toto, Yorgi Morya, Yakomo Morya, Dimitri Morayit, Nikola Lalandari, Todor Lalandari, Istefan Lalandari, Yorgi Lalandari, Mihal Kukyopulo, Istamad Harikopulo. Yorgi Livada, Dimitri Livada, Yani Livada, Mihal Halkya, Yorgi Tramasi, Istamad Tumaniti, Yani Avloniti, Gini Agriyomat, Mihal Agriyomat, Yani Agriyimat, Yorgi Agriyomat, Petro Anastas, Hristodulo Kamaki, Manol Davikar, Nikola Kataduka, Istamad Ivreto, Apostoli Drako, Paraski Tomadya, Gini Landari, Kiryako Landari, Mihal Varas, Garuso Davas, Yani Mistros, Nikola Palyatura, Yani Palyatura, Dimitri Valkyoti, Dimitri Anastas, Dimitri Kursari, Yorgi Avlonit, Trogyos Kadikyopulo, Yani Harikyopulo, Andriya Balayot, Istamad Kalayot, Vlasi Gromyo, p.* 148 Petro Romana, Yani Crigar, Petro Balas, Manol Agramyot, Yorgi Agramyot, Nikola Saluti, Yani Karalasa, Papadimitri Kisaryo, Kosta Iksano, Istamad Maromat, Yorgi Nyaka, Todo Dugar, Manol Vavasi, Petro Akaras, Saro Dragumano, Katokuki Cikna, Muruzi Ihsalya, Kosta Mavasari, Potino Muvasa Iksida, Nikola Anastas, Yani Vatikyot, bīve Arhondo, bīve Sumalya, bīve Malalya, bīve tu Vasila, bīve tu Yakomo, bīve tu Simiyu, bīve Harulya.


The ones I have marked are typically Albanian eg. Jorgi - Gjergji, Gin - Gjin, Petro Guri, Luka. I will post several other for central and northern Euboea which proves the Albanian presence in these regions. The south (1/3) was almost entirely Arvanite in 1904.

Kursari is also found among Kosovar Albanians as well as Makri in Tosk Albanians. Most of these people were probably Albanians but I am marking more obvious examples specifically.
Eg. Makri, Guri and Toti/Toto in Gjirokasater:
https://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gjirokastra#Demografia

https://satellites.pro/Lichada_map

Lisada must be Lichada. Can Amphipolis confirm this?

PAGE 303 BOOK/ PAGE 321 PDF
Karye-i AYOS (North Euboea

Marko* Sarmas, Yani* Fanuli,* Yorgi Mirasyot,* Dimitri* Mirasyot, Todor* Kidras, Gin Milarahi, Gin Zapas,* Petro* Loksa,* Mihal*Ku�� dasi2,*Marko Zoyas,*Dimitri*Suras, Leka Balyas,* Marino* Muruzo, Gin* Zapa,*Yani Hrazyot, Andriya Istilva, Gin Kirdami, Andriya Mirasyot,*Gin Muzak,*Martin* Kalya, Yorgi Balya, Ilya* Damuza, Lazar* Damuza,* Pavlo* Damuza,* Petro* Damuza,* veled��i* Petro Damuza,* Yorgi Sarakino, Gin Siyalas,* Dima* Loksa, Aleksi Damuza,* Papa* Nikola, Yani Kondoyani.

Only marking the obvious ones.

Gjin Muzaka

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzaka_family

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Agios+343+00,+Greece/@38.9044499,23.0531551,16z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x14a0cb1a4938a3b3:0x564d9c267d995853!8m2!3d38.9054787!4d23.057457

[tchaiku]

PAGE 303 BOOK/ PAGE 321 PDF
Karye-i AYOS (North Euboea)

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Agios+343+00,+Greece/@38.9044499,23.0531551,16z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x14a0cb1a4938a3b3:0x564d9c267d995853!8m2!3d38.9054787!4d23.057457

Marko Sarmas, Yani Fanuli, Yorgi Mirasyot, Dimitri Mirasyot, Todor Kidras, Gin Milarahi, Gin Zapas, Petro Loksa ,Marko Zoyas,Dimitri Suras, Leka Balyas, Marino Muruzo, Gin Zapa,Yani Hrazyot, Andriya Istilva, Gin Kirdami, Andriya Mirasyot,Gin Muzak,Martin Kalya, Yorgi Balya, Ilya Damuza, Lazar Damuza, Pavlo Damuza, Petro Damuza, Yorgi Sarakino, Gin Siyalas, Dima Loksa, Aleksi Damuza, Papa Nikola, Yani Kondoyani

Only marking the obvious ones.

[tchaiku]

From South Euboea which was entirely Arvanite in 19th century:
ISTURA -
Dimitri Gurac, Todor veled-i 0, Yorgi hem veled-i o, Gin veled-i Evdogar, Simo Gurac, Gön Ilya, Petro Ilya, Gülüs Bota, Yorgi Moska, Pavlo veled-i o, Gin Molika, Semnos Muzak, Dima Koc Istefan Moska, Leka Koc, Petro Kazi, Andriya Garoc, Duca Garoc Ilya Kalenc, Dimitri Duryani, Niga veled-i o, Nikola hem veledo, Petro Ruyani, Iētin Istanko, Yorgi veled-i o, Mihal Iskura Nikola veled-i 0, Dimiko Istura, Gin Giada, Iētin Palyoyani Andriya Heimat, Dima veled-i* ο, Yorgi Dar,*Kosta* veledi Leka* Istat,* Tu§a* veled󰀭i o, Kondo*hem veledi o, Ilya* Konduc,* Gin* Ruyani, Nikola Floka Gülüs Kasandrit, Nikola Kumi, Todor Istomi, Yorgi KyrMandara Nikola Marko, Dimitri veled-i 0, Gin veled-i Petro, Nikola Bodolino,*Boia Buta, Lazar Murumsa(?), Yorgi Sikya, Nikola Suli, Ni kola Groc, bīve Mariya, bīve Iskura.

Page 233 of the book/page 255 in the PDF. Marked the name Yorgi to prove that Arvanites used this name.

[tchaiku]

It turns out Yorgi is both a Greek and an Albanian name however the name Georgios is used more formally for the Greeks. And the actual version of Yorgi is Yorgos (Georgios). While Yorgi/Yorgo is actually the direct Greek version of Gjergji as the Albanian male names end with ''i''.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_(given_name)#In_other_languages

''Yorgi Kavaco'' - the surname is Albanian.

[Carlin]

1) "The population of Euboea at the present day is made up of elements not less various, for many of the Greek inhabitants seem to have immigrated, partly from the mainland, and partly from other islands; and besides these, the southern portion is occupied by Albanians, who probably have come from Andros; and in the mountain districts nomad Vlach shepherds are found."

URL:

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1911_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica/Euboea

Vlach settlements in Euboea, both in the central and northern Euboea and in Kymi-Aliveri, lost the (Vlach) language by the early 19th century.

2) "Boeotia, with Euboea, is largely in the hands of Toskh Albanians."

URL:

https://books.google.ca/books?id=XlOg3ucdUrYC&pg=PA153&dq=euboea+toskh+albanians&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj98oHrzZjoAhVLdt8KHUHlBocQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q=euboea%20toskh%20albanians&f=false

[tchaiku]

https://satellites.pro/Lichada_map

Lisada - Northwestern Euboea:
Nikola Kostapetr, Aritidi Kostapetr, Manol Simos, Nikola Kara binar, Kiryako Karabinar, Cyano Karabinar, Yani Apostolo, Dimitri Kamarya, Nikola Kamarya, Nikola diger Kamarya, Mihal Karasuni, Manol Mavro, Yani Balusi, Yani Zinota, Yorgi Iskinari,* Nikola Vasilyor, Kosta Salusi, Kozma Salusi, Yorgi Salusi,

tetim me-i karye-i L i s a d a

Yorgi Salusi diger, Nikola Salusi diger, Yorgi Vasila, Yorgi Ivreto, Yani Ivreto, Kiryako Ivreto, Dimitri Ivreto, Nikola Ivreto, Luka Sayita, Yani Luka, Nikola Luka, Nikola Salvit, Manol Vasilikör, Kosta Vasilikor, Yorgi Makri, Istamad Makri, Nikola Makri, Yani Vlahoni, Yorgi Vasilinor, Istam ad Vasilinor, Kosta Agapito, Nikola Kamaki, Dimitri Kamaki, Yani Kamaki, Petro Kamaki, Dimitri Romaniti, Hristofor Romaniti, Aleksi Romaniti, Dimitri Arab,* Nikola Kamarana, Mihal Kamarana, Yorgi Rasula, Nikola Rasula, Dimitri Rasula, Gin damad-i Rasula, Nikola Krasos, Kostandin Krasos, Nikola Guri, Petro Guri, Istefan Palusi, Yani Kursari, Dimitri Kursari, Vasili Sarandi, Mihal Sarandi, Yorgi Kavaco, Dimitri Kacavo, Petro Kavaco, Todor Atlazi, Dimitri Atlazi, Aleksi Istasuli, Nikola Arcuras, p.* 147 Yorgi Istasuli, Istamad Lazomondas, Andriya Midali, Yorgi Kisaki, Nikola Kisaki, Dimitri Toto, Nikola Toti, Yani Sarandi, Yorgi Toto, Yorgi Morya, Yakomo Morya, Dimitri Morayit, Nikola Lalandari, Todor Lalandari, Istefan Lalandari, Yorgi Lalandari, Mihal Kukyopulo, Istamad Harikopulo. Yorgi Livada, Dimitri Livada, Yani Livada, Mihal Halkya, Yorgi Tramasi, Istamad Tumaniti, Yani Avloniti, Gini Agriyomat, Mihal Agriyomat, Yani Agriyimat, Yorgi Agriyomat, Petro Anastas, Hristodulo Kamaki, Manol Davikar, Nikola Kataduka, Istamad Ivreto, Apostoli Drako, Paraski Tomadya, Gini Landari, Kiryako Landari, Mihal Varas, Garuso Davas, Yani Mistros, Nikola Palyatura, Yani Palyatura, Dimitri Valkyoti, Dimitri Anastas, Dimitri Kursari, Yorgi Avlonit, Trogyos Kadikyopulo, Yani Harikyopulo, Andriya Balayot, Istamad Kalayot, Vlasi Gromyo, p.* 148 Petro Romana, Yani Crigar, Petro Balas, Manol Agramyot, Yorgi Agramyot, Nikola Saluti, Yani Karalasa, Papadimitri Kisaryo, Kosta Iksano, Istamad Maromat, Yorgi Nyaka, Todo Dugar, Manol Vavasi, Petro Akaras, Saro Dragumano, Katokuki Cikna, Muruzi Ihsalya, Kosta Mavasari, Potino Muvasa Iksida, Nikola Anastas, Yani Vatikyot, bīve Arhondo, bīve Sumalya, bīve Malalya, bīve tu Vasila, bīve tu Yakomo, bīve tu Simiyu, bīve Harulya.


The ones I have marked are typically Albanian eg. Jorgi - Gjergji, Gin - Gjin, Petro Guri, Luka. I will post several other for central and northern Euboea which proves the Albanian presence in these regions. The south (1/3) was almost entirely Arvanite in 1904.

Kursari is also found among Kosovar Albanians as well as Makri in Tosk Albanians. Most of these people were probably Albanians but I am marking more obvious examples specifically.
Eg. Makri, Guri and Toti/Toto in Gjirokasater:

https://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gjirokastra#Demografia