The Existence of a Macedonian Minority in Greece!

[Bill77]

I think there is a party in Greece,struggling for human rights etc. called ''Rainbow''.
If there was a 200.000 minority shouldnt this party have taken a percent more than at least,10%?

Sory for the late response, but i only just came across your question.

This was posted in another thread http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...ighlight=spies

Quote:
"Yesterday, the German medias Spiegel and Deutche Welle, came out with an article that the materials of the Macedonian party in Greece-"Rainbow", needed for the upcoming elections were blocked by the bulgarian intelligence.

These respected german medias got the information from the bulgarian security service after it leaked into publicity and they are saying that the bulgarian intelligence informed the ex prime minister Stanisev that they were performing "operational actions for slowing down members of the pro-macedonian structures" from Bulgaria and Greece, as well as other people from Macedonia and confiscating any advertising materials of the macedonian party in Greece "Vinozito" right before the elections in Greece. Representatives of the greek services in Bulgaria were also informed about this case.
For preventing the processes of the so-called "pro-macedonian nationalism", the bulgarian services were performing an operation under the code name "the Separatists". Code names of some of the bulgarian spies also came out of the dark. "Slavej" (the bluebird), "Posrednik" (the mediator) and "Begalec" (the refuge) operated in Macedonia and their operations are known under the code names "Ezero" (the lake) and "Oktopod" (the octopus)."

So once again, Greece can't deal with there problems alone. But the main thing is, not only does Rainbow have to deal with Facist Greeks, But other foriegn ocupiers such as the Bulgarians. So what hope did Rainbow have when there advertising materials were confiscated. You are well aware how important Promotion and advertising material are prior to elections. In particulor in regions such as Nth Greece.

On top of this, can you seriously tell me that the Macedonians in Greece feel free and comfortable expressing them selves? I know for a fact majority still live in fear. So how would it be expected for these people to go to polling booths and vote in for a Macedonian party.

[Pelister]

Unbelievable.

So once again, Greece can't deal with there problems alone. But the main thing is, not only does Rainbow have to deal with Facist Greeks, But other foriegn ocupiers such as the Bulgarians. So what hope did Rainbow have when there advertising materials were confiscated. You are well aware how important Promotion and advertising material are prior to elections. In particulor in regions such as Nth Greece.

I cannot for the life me understand why we are negotiating our identity with those fkheads.

[Bill77]

You guys probably get sick of my You Tube Postings. But i will Limit them from now on. This particulour one i think is quite funny and yet, Has a strong message. It is very cleverly made. There has been some Thought and time put into it to plan and edit this clip i am sure.
But this post is an extension to my previous post just to show again what Rainbow and Macedonians have to put up with in Nth Greece.

YouTube - GREEK FASCISM THIS IS GREECE

[TrueMacedonian]

page 101

[Pelister]

"An Irritating Minority"

Taken from “The Macedonian Controversey” by George Zotiades (1961), page 43, footnote 117.

The Greek historians have in many ways condemned themselves by publishing such comments.

“Royaume de Grece, Annuaire Statistique de la Grece (Athenese: 1930). The crushing majority of the Greek Element in Greek Macedonia is a matter of common knowledge. Sir John Hope-Simson, Vice-chairman of the Refugee Settlement Commission in his book, The Refugee Problem writes that 'After the establishment of refugees, the Greek population of Hellenic Macedonia forms the 89% of the total population. In this way the ethnic problems which were always a danger for the peace in the Balkans have been solved in so far as Greece is concerend ... moreover the disapperance of an irritating minority question has made it possible for Greece to live on good and even friendly terms with her enemies'. [A European said this!]. Sir Arthur Salter, Director of Economic Section of the League of Nations writes in the Times of Nov.27, 1926, 'Greek Macedonia has been hellenized, the Greek world has concentrated in the mother-country. The forieng element consists of only 300,000 persons among 6,500,000'. Ed. Lehmann and Hans Damm in their work Meyer Kleiner Weltatlas (Leipzig: 1935) write that Macedonia has a perfect ethnological unity, p.44. Wilkinson, op.cit. Writes that 'The great exodus of Moslems and the great influsx of persons of Greek Orthodox faith, after 1922 materially changed the ethnic composition of Macedonia and Dhitiki Thraki',p.263. Professor J. Ancel writes in his book La Macedoine (Paris: 1930) 'Since 1919 Southern Macedonia has again been united with Greece, since 1923 the immmigration of the Greeks of Asia Minor and Thrace ahs entirely Hellenized it'. John Swire in his book Bulgarian Conspiracy (London: 1939) admits that a sa result of the 'Greco-Turkish Convention for the exchange of populations of January 20, 1923, Greek Macedonia has been turned into a Hellenic province and thus Bulgarian claims were silenced', p.31. Finally, Hamilton F. Armstrong in his work Where the East Begins concludes that 'today Greece is one of the most homogenous countries in Europe', p.57.”

Note: Macedonians regarded as a “foriegn element” in their native land. Sir John Hope-Simson, Vice-chairman of the Refugee Settlement Commission in his book, The Refugee Problem]

[julie]

These are great finds guys, you are champions

[Babazuba]

How can you teach true facts to people who
were forbiden the same.
Denial is their wepon.
Truth is simple, and it will crush their stability build by lies.
They get frightened. Then they turn arogant.
No, do not atak people. Atak the historians of
the worl who alowed such history to be forjed
not only in Greece,
All the books printed after the creation of Greece, and altered history after division of Macedonian land, should be destroyed under protest. Tell me if I am wrong.
I am curious, do Turks and Albanians in Greece have Greekomanised names?
Isn't the world of curious news media aware
of enjustic done to Macedonians?

[julie]

Babazuba, true facts as you say have been forbidden, and Greece has forged history since the division of Macedonia.
The media are aware , but its easier to be "bought" and the Greek lobby is very strong.
The atrocities that have been committed against the Macedonian people, the genocide , and their basic human rights in Aegean Macedonia have been suppressed. The greeks have committed terrible crimes and injustices and ccontinue to do so.
They have military parades and the media wont televise this.

The western world will not accept and wont acknowledge this because they have allowed and encouraged Greece to anihilate and commit these atrocities. Napalm bombings were with the support of the US in the Greek civil war. The Macedonian people suffered, and it was wonderful for the US to see the effects of that on a minority group of people. The British encouraged the division of Macedonia, and allowed the partitioning .
How can they come to the aid of the Macedonian people when they have given Greece the right to commit cultural and ethnic genocide.

[TrueMacedonian]

pages 134-135

To counter these foreign efforts to gain control of Greek Macedonia, the Greek government attempted to present a picture to the outside world that the region was definitively 'Greek'. One incident in particular serves to illuminate the anxiety of the Greek authorities. In 1926, the International Commission for the Study of Minorities in Macedonia toured the area. Government authorities directed teachers to hold Greek festivities (epideixes) in the schools for the benefit of the visiting investigators. Teachers also told school children that the Minister of Education would be travelling along the Edessa-Florina railway, and that in order to please him they were to line the railroad tracks, holding Greek flags in their hands and singing patriotic marches. Students were also instructed that if approached by members of the commission on the streets or at the railway station and asked if they knew any language other than Greek, they were to answer no. The event was reported as a great success(53).
In conjunction with their attempts to portray the inherent 'Greekness' of the area to outsiders, the Greek authorities also actively suppressed all social and political movements aiming at the autonomy of Macedonia. Despite the fact that the area had been part of Greece for more than a decade, a large proportion of the local population was still hostile to Greek sovereignty and conditions in the region were far from tranquil. The Greek state attempted to consolidate its control over the area through a dual approach involving surveillance and repression on the part of the military and the police, on the one hand, and institutionalized forums of national education on the other.

Note 53: Metaxas Archives, File No. 36, 'The Attempt to Hellenize Western Macedonia and the results achieved during the last two years (confidential), Yiorgos Papadapoulos, Elementary School Teacher, 22 July 1938,7.

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pages 141-142

By the time of the Metaxas dictatorship, the linguistic situation in the Macedonian region remained at crisis proportions. In 1938, an Athenian teacher (Yiorgos Papadapoulos) who worked in the Edessa area wrote a confidential report evaluating efforts to Hellenize Western Macedonia and stressed the importance of the recently enacted language prohibitions(82). The importance of these prohibitions, he argued, lay in the fact that on the surface they provided for a uniform appearance, so that visitors to the area and local inhabitants alike would see and feel that it was part of Greece. More importantly, on a deeper level 'the young children will finally understand that they live in Greece, and that the Greek lessons are not taught in schools as a foreign language' (emphasis in original)(83).

Note 82: Metaxas Archives, File No.36, Papdapoulos letter (see Note 53).

Note 83: It was believed that night schools offered the most effective means of achieving substantive results in Hellenization. Such forums were attended by both women (between the ages of 15-40) and men (up to age 50), ibid., 5. Reading, writing, and history were the primary subjects of these schools, while women were also taugh home economics.

Cultural Illegitimacy In Greece: The Slavo-Macedonian 'Non-Minority' by Anastasia Karakasidou.

[George S.]

This thread is so informative On the Macedonian Minorities in greece.Greece all it can do is deny their existence because if it admits to it then has to give back the land

[TrueMacedonian]

This thread is so informative On the Macedonian Minorities in greece.Greece all it can do is deny their existence because if it admits to it then has to give back the land

There's much more to it than that George. Macedonia had to be hellenized in order to invent the myth of Hellenism and "4000 years of Greek history in Macedonia". Macedonia ultimately became the prosthetic limb of Hellenism. What every single extreme nationalist grk fails to come to terms with is the fact that Macedonia had to undergo a policy of forced Hellenization in the 20th century. This contradicts the nationalist myth that Macedonia was always "Greek".

[Akzion]

Macedonia had to undergo a policy of forced Hellenization in the 20th century. This contradicts the nationalist myth that Macedonia was always "Greek".

(Cough, cough) Does that book mention in which areas of Macedonia these schools were located? Or how many people they had to Hellenize?

[Makedonska_Kafana]

DEFINITION OF A SMART GREEK

A. Foreigner

[julie]

(Cough, cough) Does that book mention in which areas of Macedonia these schools were located? Or how many people they had to Hellenize?

Aegean Macedonia. Entire villages.

[julie]

definition of a smart greek

a. Foreigner

lmao