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Population of Macedonia and Adjacent Areas
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To be honest, I am feeling a little overwhelmed with the quantum of information here. If I was a Greek claiming Macedonia, I would never step foot in this history section for fear of ridicule.
.... And they have not.Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
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The Emperor quickly chose to send Constantine, accompanied by his brother Methodius, justifying his decision with the words "You two are from Salonika, and all Thessalonians speak pure Slavonic."
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"You two are from Salonika, and all Thessalonians speak pure Slavonic."
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Culture, Civilization, And Demarcation at the Northwest Borders of Greece by Laurie Kain Hart page 202
and this link
So as even Brailsford has mentioned before it was the Vlachs of Macedonia who were the backbone of the 19th century propaganda tool created by the German Droysen "hellenism". Where are these majority ethnic "greeks" that bounce up and down all the time telling us we're not Macedonians
I also would like to note that the Macedonians are mentioned as primarily a "Laboring class" Laborer = Bulgar.
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the question of greeks in macedonia is very confusing due to 2 very important factors. firstly the influence of the mainly greek speaking heirachy of the orthodox church and the prestige of being greek and secondly most "evidence" is from the latter part of the 19th century over 50s years since the creation of neo hellas. within that time the propganda and influence of neo hellas permeated the balkans and consequently many people were hellenised at an individual family village or like the vlachs even at an ethnic level.
i would like to see how the situation looked in the late 1700s. thats when we can determine who was what in the balkans before the establishment of the new christian kingdoms, not after vested political forces had already begun to influence poeples ethnic identification. a simmilar thing happened with the emergence of bulgaria and the subsequent bulgarisation of macedonian people.
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Originally posted by Osirisi would like to see how the situation looked in the late 1700s. thats when we can determine who was what in the balkans before the establishment of the new christian kingdoms, not after vested political forces had already begun to influence poeples ethnic identification
With the assumption of control in the Balkans by the Ottomans, the Archbishopric of Ohrid in Macedonia had its widespread power and influence marginalised, while the Patriarchate of Constantinople found itself in a rejuvenated position resulting from its new found friendship with the recently arrived Muslim overlords. With the
Of course, there is much to elaborate, but it is a good starting point to get the structure of events clarified and in place.In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.
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Osiris, there was a reason for wiping out the Ohrid Archbishopric in the 1700's.
The decision came from Istanbul with huge influence from the phanariotes. I have never read anywhere about the locals protesting about the Ohrid Archbishopric, therefore can only assume they were looking after their flock .... All over Macedonia.
I would like to know what a "Greek" in Macedonia was in the 1700's if anyone would like to chip in. And if we remove ethnic Vlachs from the equation, then I would like to read about this 1 person.Risto the Great
MACEDONIA:ANHEDONIA
"Holding my breath for the revolution."
Hey, I wrote a bestseller. Check it out: www.ren-shen.com
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exactly my a point risto in the 1700 s one would have been hard pressed to find agreek in attika boetia the peloponese many of the islands thessaly eprirus etc etc let alone in macedonia. then sudenly we find greeks everywhere in russia the ukraine in bulgaria turkey albania serbia rumania and macedonia we should never forget the megali idea originally encompassed even parts of italy and egypt.Last edited by osiris; 07-30-2009, 12:26 AM.
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