Population of Macedonia and Adjacent Areas

[Liberator of Makedonija]

The map is from 1930's. I missed that. But what I said applies to the maps of 19th century.

From memory the Albanian Orthodox Church was established in the 1920s. Wouldn't surprise me if many would still be members of the Patriarchate in the 1930s. As for the Vlachs, most in that region (and at that time) were members of the Patriarchate too.

[Carlin]

The following is from Asterios Koukoudis:

For an earlier presence of Vlach populations until the earliest Ottoman times in the area a little north of Salonica, and especially in the areas of the Vardar and the Galik/Galika (Gallikos) river valleys, seem to be advocating some traditions of the Miyaks.

The Miyaks, an old traditional population of the area between Debar and Gostivar have maintained traditions that some of their ancestors retired into this mountain region, coming from area of the Galik River. The ancestors of Miyaks, a likely mixture of Slav-speaking and Vlach-speaking populations, left the region of Galik perhaps under the pressure of the Turkish settlements in Central Macedonia and the problems they gradually created for the Christian populations of the region.

Socrates Diakos points out that some late medieval source reports the existence, around 1550, of Morion Vlachs (Μόριων Βλάχων) in the area of the valley of Galik.

https://mk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA

According to local legends reflected in a report by Srebren Pop-Petrov from 1916, the residents of Galichnik have moved from Solun, from the region of the Galik River during the Middle Ages. --> Тодоровски, Глигор. Малореканскиот предел. Општествено-економски и просветни прилики во 80-те години на XIX век до крајот на Првата светска војна, Скопје 1970, с. 14.


Miyak Village, Galichnik, many families whose names were of Vlach origin

[Liberator of Makedonija]

[Carlin]

Yugoslavia and Macedonia Before Tito: Between Repression and Integration, By Nada Boskovska






Here is the link - google books:

https://books.google.ca/books?id=WucqDwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Nada+Boskoska&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiVlef8pbTcAhWMr4MKHS42AoYQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=Nada%20Boskoska&f=false

[tchaiku]

(The map above seems to ignore the presence of Slavs and Vlachs in eastern Thrace. For instance, Vlachs are recorded in different districts throughout Thrace, one of them being around Bizye, which we can see above. Later on, the Vlachs were forcibly moved from Bizye to the Asiatic coast of the Bosphorus.)

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[Niko777]

You can still find people in Sohos (Suho) and Asvestohori (Peizanovo) speaking Macedonian today.

[Carlin]

Парапанковци - Parapankovtsi

Parapankovtsi is a term used in the past to designate linguistically hellenized Bulgarians of south Thrace. The term derives from the pejorative "parapanko" (from Greek "parpano/parapono"), with which this group was called by the Greek-speakers and later by the Bulgarian-speakers.

In Ethnography of the Villages of Adrianople, Monastir and Salonika from 1878 part of Parapanko villages are presented as Bulgarian or mixed. According to Anastas Razboinikov, the Greek language of Parapankovtsi is barbarian, rough and unruly. Their style and costume are identical to those of the Thracian Bulgarians living near them.

Until the beginning of the 20th century, the Parapankovtsi inhabited villages in districts of Dimotika/Didymoteicho, Soufli, Ortaköy, Edirne and Enez, as well as some urban centers in Eastern and Western Thrace. At that time, in some villages, the elderly speak Bulgarian and the young ones only in Greek. The main factors for the Hellenization of Parapankovtsi are mainly the cultural influences accompanying the Greek educational system and ecclesiastical activity. The processes of Hellenization in Parapanko villages in the Ottoman Empire continued to the Balkan Wars. After 1912, the majority of Parapankovtsi in Eastern Thrace emigrated to Greece.

URL:

https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%86%D0%B8

Кариоти - Karyotes

The Karyotes (in Greek: Καρυώτες) are a Greek-speaking ethnographic group (most likely of Bulgarian descent).

By the beginning of the 20th century, there were about 4,000 people. Their language is a variety of Greek, while folk songs, costumes and customs are Bulgarian. In the 19th century under pressure from the Patriarchate of Constantinople they began to Hellenize; there existed a Greek primary school with about 200 children, supported by the patriarchy. In 1906, about 100 families volunteered to leave and settle in Greece.

In Southeastern Bulgaria, the Karyote men wear white pendants and white shorts, typical of the Šop/Shop costume.

Konstantin Jirechek, in his Travels in Bulgaria describes the Karyotes as follows:

"The costumes of the Karyotes are pure Bulgrian, cap included. Men don't know Bulgarian, but there are women who know it. ... in Kavakli, now perfectly Greek, a neighborhood is still called Bulgar Mahala. According to the topographic nomenclature, which, with few exceptions, is completely Turkish, it can be judged that this Christian (Greek) population is also of a newer/recent origin."

URL:

https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B8

Traditional Karyote costume for women


URL:

https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4#/media/File:Kavakli.jpg

[Risto the Great]

Just another migrating Slav by the look of it.

[Carlin]

Just another migrating Slav by the look of it.

Straight outta Pripyat Marshes

[Amphipolis]

An example of ancestrydna circles/dots as they appear on a map - my "common ancestors" in the year 1825 (Macedonia, Epirus and Thessaly):

Where did your known ancestors come from? Also, you never told us if you are Vlach.

[Amphipolis]

An example of ancestrydna circles/dots as they appear on a map - my "common ancestors" in the year 1825 (Macedonia, Epirus and Thessaly):

I don't see how this is produced. It probably means that this is where most of your "distant cousins" (people you have common ancestors 6-8 generations ago, i.e. in 1825) live now. Does this website let you contact with these cousins?

[tchaiku]

Where did your known ancestors come from? Also, you never told us if you are Vlach.

So Carlin is a Vlach. Hmm never crossed my mind before.

[tchaiku]

The only sure thing is that the Greek clerics, John Apokaukos and George Bardanes, writing around 1220, considered Grevena in western Macedonia a barbaric Slavic-speaking place and Vonditza in Acarnania Greek-speaking.

[Carlin]

I don't see how this is produced. It probably means that this is where most of your "distant cousins" (people you have common ancestors 6-8 generations ago, i.e. in 1825) live now. Does this website let you contact with these cousins?

No - the dots seem to represent ancestral birth locations. See my post #146 where I provide screenshots from the ancestry site, where they explain what the dots and lines represent on a map:

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showpost.php?p=175649&postcount=146

AncestryDNA does provide a list of 'distant cousins'.

As I already might have explained, the dots increase/decrease on a map, and they can appear/disappear in different regions as people move about/migrate.

Here is roughly the same region at 1850:

[Carlin]

Where did your known ancestors come from? Also, you never told us if you are Vlach.

I'm not sure why this matters so much. My known ancestors, as far as I know, were all Orthodox Christians and came from Macedonia and Epirus regions. They spoke primarily Vlahika at home, and others Makedonika. I am of mixed ancestry.

I know that some of the men in my family also spoke Romaika, while others were not so fluent in Romaika but had some knowledge of it. Also, others (more recent/immediate ancestors) knew and spoke Arvanitika.