The Utter Destruction of multiple modern "greek" myths in 3 1/2 pages

[TrueMacedonian]

Do you really believe that for example..Chalkidiki was not populated by Greeks... ?

In what time frame do you mean?

[Coastal]

In what time frame do you mean?

....any ...

[TrueMacedonian]

Well then I would have to say very recently Chalkidiki has become "greek". Refugees were dumped there in the 20's and Vlach merchant families lived in the area prior. Apparently "Bulgarian" Labourers moved there to work the mines.
One source noted that "Chalkidiki, the place that we live,,,,there's no city. It's all villages." (Meaning and geography: the social conception of the region in northern Greece By Alexandros Ph Lagopoulos, Karin Boklund-Lagopoulou). An older source from the late 18th century states that the inhabitants were Turks and Tatars and a few "Sclavonian, Armenian, and Dalmatian families". This supposed notion that there existed a "Greek presence" in Halkidiki since time immemorial is wishful thinking for todays Nationalist from athens.

[Coastal]

Well then I would have to say very recently Chalkidiki has become "greek". Refugees were dumped there in the 20's and Vlach merchant families lived in the area prior. Apparently "Bulgarian" Labourers moved there to work the mines.
One source noted that "Chalkidiki, the place that we live,,,,there's no city. It's all villages." (Meaning and geography: the social conception of the region in northern Greece By Alexandros Ph Lagopoulos, Karin Boklund-Lagopoulou). An older source from the late 18th century states that the inhabitants were Turks and Tatars and a few "Sclavonian, Armenian, and Dalmatian families". This supposed notion that there existed a "Greek presence" in Halkidiki since time immemorial is wishful thinking for todays Nationalist from athens.

Can u name me the source speaking about Tatars and Dalmatians (?!).

Also,does the facts that there were no big cities there and that some Bulgarian miners were working in the mines mean there was no Greek present?
In the same way the thousands of Vlachs in Bitola and Turks/Albanians in Skopje make these areas non Macedonian.Is it?
Who were the people who revolted there in 1821?
For example here are catalogues of the Greeks who left Chalkidiki to Skopelos island,after the Revolution.

http://doumbia-istoria.blogspot.com/2010/06/1829.html

These are the signatures of the chiefs of the revolutionaries

http://doumbia-istoria.blogspot.com/2010/05/1821_15.html

Konstantinos Doympiotis, Giannis Papastamatis, Christos Ekonomou, Vasilikos Rafail, Pavlos Athanasiou, Giannakis Tsatsaronis, Thanasis Sarafianou, Giannakis Chalkia, Athanasios Chimeftos and 9 other.
From the villages of Kallandra,Athytos,Sykia,Vavdos,Polygyros,Stanos,Ri za,Ierissos,Vasilika...

Also there are dozens of manuscripts mentioning names of common people in Chalkidiki in medieval times 10th-15th cent.-kept in the archives of Mount Athos.
They are Greek.

[Coastal]

Even Kanchov ,who of course served Bulgarian propaganda, found 4.088 Turks ,30.359 Greeks and no one else in Kaza of Kassandra.
No Bulgarians.
(Of course no Macedonians too,since he considers them Bulgarians)

Don't you think your nationalists should cut off the peninsula from their map of united Macedonia?
It would be a first step..

[julie]

Even Kanchov ,who of course served Bulgarian propaganda, found 4.088 Turks ,30.359 Greeks and no one else in Kaza of Kassandra.
No Bulgarians.
(Of course no Macedonians too,since he considers them Bulgarians)

Don't you think your nationalists should cut off the peninsula from their map of united Macedonia?
It would be a first step..

But of course, is that when HellAss becomes Turkish?

[Coastal]

Julie ,the evidence is written in the first phrase.
Kanchov gives us 4.000 Turks and 30.000 Greeks for Chalkidiki.
You should bold this.
You should think of this.

The other is just a comment.--doesn't really matter.

[Daskalot]

Julie ,the evidence is written in the first phrase.
Kanchov gives us 4.000 Turks and 30.000 Greeks for Chalkidiki.
You should bold this.
You should think of this.

The other is just a comment.--doesn't really matter.

contemplate for a moment here Coastal........

werent there Greeks in Varna in Bulgaria and a long the black sea coast?

A long the coasts of Turkey?

Why are Greeks so coastal and not so mainland???

[Coastal]

contemplate for a moment here Coastal........

werent there Greeks in Varna in Bulgaria and a long the black sea coast?

A long the coasts of Turkey?

Why are Greeks so coastal and not so mainland???

Maybe we like the sea

We should also ask the coloners of ancient times about that...

[Daskalot]

Coastal you are aware that the Greek Church baptized people with Greek names..... you do know this right?

[Coastal]

Coastal you are aware that the Greek Church baptized people with Greek names..... you do know this right?

Is that the 20 questions quiz ?))

Can i ask questions too ?

[Daskalot]

Sure ask away......
Are you from the three Macedonias in Greece?

[Coastal]

Sure ask away......
Are you from the three Macedonias in Greece?

Your questions smell irony Daskale
I really like that )
Yes i am from one of them!
I guess you are not from one of the three Macedonias of United Macedonia ,but from abroad ..isn't?

[TrueMacedonian]

Can u name me the source speaking about Tatars and Dalmatians (?!).

July 1, 1784.

In the following events related by the Greek lady whom I mentioned in my last, you will find one of the few instances of a beautiful and delicate being having surmounted such sufferings as she experienced in the savage hands of Turkish robbers. Signora S , who is still handsome, wasborn in Dalmatia ; her Christian name was Juliana: her father was an officer of distinction in the Venetian service. Her family was disliked by the Turks, on account of the skill and courage her grandfather displayed in endeavouring to defend the Morea from the Turkish arms when they last gained possession of it. Her mother, herself, and two sisters were living on an extensive estate, beautifully situated on the borders of Macedonia. Rich villages, though belonging to Turks and Tartars, surrounded them, and that part of the country was interspersed with aromatic heaths,, impenetrable woods and thick vineyards; but they were remote from any capital ;. Salonica, the ancient Thessaionica, being the nearest to them, and they were not far from the village of Contessa. This lady thinks, if her mother had caused alms to be sent to the HoJy Mountain of Athos, they might have averted all the troubles she experienced. This mountain is inhabited by friars, of whom there are no less, than three thousand living in thirty monasteries: many of the Greeks visit it, and purchase separate blessings from the different convents at a very great expense. As the inhabitants of the surrounding villages were mostly Turks and Tartars, their society consisted only of a few families of Armenians, Dalmatians and Sclavonians, who, like themselves, had retired to that part of Macedonia, while the heads of their families were fighting under the Venetian banners against the Turks in Venetian Dalmatia.

Narrative of a ten years' residence at Tripoli in Africa, Richard Tully

Also,does the facts that there were no big cities there and that some Bulgarian miners were working in the mines mean there was no Greek present?

How could there be "greeks" when such a thing did not exist yet in Athens (let alone Macedonia)among the people in until the mid-1850's when Otto 're-invented' Athens to suit his philhellenic needs.

In the same way the thousands of Vlachs in Bitola and Turks/Albanians in Skopje make these areas non Macedonian.Is it?

Apples and oranges. No one disputed the ethnicity of these peoples. Just the so-called hellenism that made some of them proclaim themselves descendents of Pericles, Testicles, and Eumenes.

Who were the people who revolted there in 1821?
For example here are catalogues of the Greeks who left Chalkidiki to Skopelos island,after the Revolution.

They were christians. Not ethnic "greeks". They fought their islamic oppressors. Not for a non-existant country.

These are the signatures of the chiefs of the revolutionaries

http://doumbia-istoria.blogspot.com/...5/1821_15.html

Konstantinos Doympiotis, Giannis Papastamatis, Christos Ekonomou, Vasilikos Rafail, Pavlos Athanasiou, Giannakis Tsatsaronis, Thanasis Sarafianou, Giannakis Chalkia, Athanasios Chimeftos and 9 other.
From the villages of Kallandra,Athytos,Sykia,Vavdos,Polygyros,Stanos,Ri za,Ierissos,Vasilika...

You forgot a few. But this is all irrelevant considering how many of these people were actually Vlachs, Albanians, and the dreaded SLAVO-MACEDONIAN.

[Coastal]

Rich villages, though belonging to Turks and Tartars, surrounded them,

I guess the writer of this ..Romance? means the 6 village o Yuruks and the rest Turkish villages..which had a total of 3.000-4.000 people in the 1900s.
(some 10%of the population..the other 90% being Greek)

This lady thinks, if her mother had caused alms to be sent to the HoJy Mountain of Athos, they might have averted all the troubles she experienced. This mountain is inhabited by friars, of whom there are no less, than three thousand living in thirty monasteries: many of the Greeks visit it, and purchase separate blessings from the different convents at a very great expense. As the inhabitants of the surrounding villages were mostly Turks and Tartars, their society consisted only of a few families of Armenians, Dalmatians and Sclavonians, who, like themselves, had retired to that part of Macedonia, while the heads of their families were fighting under the Venetian banners against the Turks in Venetian Dalmatia.

Which are the villages..?
Have you read the whole text?
I really cannot understand...do the women and children live in this particular territory (which is exactly??) of the Ottoman empire and the men fight under the Venetians ?
Makes no sense.

Which are the Armenian villages of Chalkidiki?Can you name ONE?

How could there be "greeks" when such a thing did not exist yet in Athens (let alone Macedonia)among the people in until the mid-1850's when Otto 're-invented' Athens to suit his philhellenic needs.

They were christians. Not ethnic "greeks". They fought their islamic oppressors. Not for a non-existant country.

They were Greek speaking Christians with Greek names,who took part in the Greek revolution.
ps-of course they fought for a non existant country!thats common in national revolutions in fact they fought in order this country to become existant.

You forgot a few. But this is all irrelevant considering how many of these people were actually Vlachs, Albanians, and the dreaded SLAVO-MACEDONIAN.

They could be Martian too.
Do you have any evidence for the particular individuals presented ?