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Makedonski Narodni i Patriotski Pesni - Macedonian Folk & Patriotic Songs
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostAnd because there was a lack of infrastructure to facilitate a more efficient method of travel and communication, you find it revealing that a poem from Kostur would mention other Macedonian towns?
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Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View PostNo railwaylines, no roads, no forms of modern communication - all to be expected from the "sick man of Europe"
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Originally posted by Soldier of Macedon View PostWhy was there little connection between these areas?
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Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View PostIt was under the Kostursko section in this part of the book but notice its references to other regions in Macedonia at a time when there was little connection between these areas....
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Noticed this folktale/poem (unsure how to calssify) whilst reading 'Bulgarian Folk Songs' by the Miladinov Brothers. It was under the Kostursko section in this part of the book but notice its references to other regions in Macedonia at a time when there was little connection between these areas (the material was gathered in the 1850s and this example is likely much older):
331. (Петрице, моме Петрице!)
„Петрице, моме Петрице!
Дейгиди риба летнице,
Цѫрвено отъ Охритъ яболко,
Преспанска тѫнка ѭгуля,
Елибасанско-но ноже,
Юручка топла погача,
Битолско поле широко,
Тиквешка бѣла пченица,
Солунско суво грозѥнце,
Воденска ширка цѫрвена,
Негошко вино ’убаво!“
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Originally posted by vicsinad View PostYup, exactly. I think what happened was that she was trying to show off, suck up to, or impress a Bulgarian audience to get some fans, followers, i.e. to sell some music. When asked the question, she a) couldn't think of Bulgarian songs she sings to Macedonians right away and just threw out some songs; or b) knew that Bulgarians consider those songs Bulgarian and threw them a bone.
I don't need or care for an apology from her. Just not to make detrimental remarks to cause.
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Originally posted by Momce Makedonce View PostI rewatched the clip several times and I also agree that it's pretty clear cut Vic. I thought initially she might have been taken out of context in some way but I don't think she was. Don't know how she is trying to wriggle herself out of this. What do you guys think? If she sincerely apologised for saying this in the past would you accept it? For me personally, I don't even listen to her music and the fact that she makes songs in Bulgarian turns me off instantly, in the same way that it turns me off when Macedonians make songs in Serbian such as Aneta/ Grupa Molika and Tyzee for example.
I don't need or care for an apology from her. Just not to make detrimental remarks to cause.
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Originally posted by vicsinad View PostVelevska's reaction:
I watched the video. I don't see how her quote was taken out of context. The interviewer asked her what are some Bulgarian songs you sing at Macedonian concerts in Australia. Velevska responded with Jovano Jovanke, Kazi Oblace Belo, and other songs. Clear cut.
She apparently apologized two years ago and claims that a feud with a Macedonian manager in Australia is the real reason this protest is happening. Even if that was the case, I didn't find her apology convincing.
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Velevska's reaction:
Македонската дијаспора од Австралија деновиве масовно повикува на бојкот на концертите на Елена Велевска закажани за мај и јуни. На „Фејсбук“ страницата „Македонска коалиција“, повторно се споделува видеото од едно нејзино гостување на бугарската телевизија „Пајнер“ направено пред две години.
За Елена Велеска „Јовано, Јованке“ и „Кажи облаче ли бело“ се бугарски хитови, пишуваат тие повикувајќи на бојкот.
Видеото, кое беше поставено вчера на страницата, веќе е прегледано повеќе од 18.000 пати, а многу од иселените Македонци не штедат на навредите кон македонската фолк пејачка.
Симтоматично, повторното споделување на ова видео, доаѓа токму пред австралиската турнеја на пејачката, која веќе се извини за видеото, иако, како што вели, нема зошто да се извинува зошто таа изјава е извадена од контекст.
Јас кажав и пред две години дека таму зборувам за тоа дека и бугарските пејачи ги пеат нашите песни во Австралија. Во интервјуто зборувам и на македонски јазик, но тоа никој не го коментира, вели Елена Велевска за „Република“.
Иако видеото се шири на социјалните мрежи, пејачката смета дека нема како ни зошто да реагира и дека не сака да наседнува на вакви провокации. Велевска вели дека знае кој е одговорен за ваквите манипулации. Се работи за австралиски менаџер со кого на тогашната и на оваа турнеја Велевска одбила да соработува.
-Јас имам одредени критериуми, но тој не ги исполнуваше и затоа концертите ги организира друг. Нека шеруваат, нека прават што сакаат. И тогаш имав одлична турнеја, и сега кој сака, ќе дојде на концертите. Може колку сакаат да го споделуваат тоа видео и сега и по две и по десет години, нека ми прават реклама. Јас не планирам да реагирам, ни кажа таа во телефонскиот разговор.
Велевска вели дека токму ова ќе нè докрајчи нас Македонците.
Не се цениме! Дури кога ќе сме во гроб како Тоше, дури тогаш им чиниш. Јас ја пеев „Македонско девојче“ на среде Софија, никој тоа не го кажува. Пеам на сите јазици, тоа не ме менува, јас сум Македонка, додава таа.
She apparently apologized two years ago and claims that a feud with a Macedonian manager in Australia is the real reason this protest is happening. Even if that was the case, I didn't find her apology convincing.
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Thank you for posting this. The Bulgarianization is creeping into Macedonia.
I e-mailed the operator of pesna.org. They have tunes and lyrics for Macedonian songs. Often, they have renditions from non-Macedonians. But, why do they need to post renditions of songs by a group (or TV show, whichever it is, I'm not sure) called "Site Bugari Zaedno?" If you're going to post a rendition of a Macedonian song sung by a Bulgarian, why "Site Bugari Zaedno?" Doesn't send the right message, in my opinion.
Last edited by vicsinad; 04-27-2019, 06:16 AM.
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Originally posted by Momce Makedonce View PostMacedonian community of Australia not impressed with Elena Velevska coming for a concert after her comments a couple years ago on Bulgarian television.
https://balkan.mk/2019/04/23/povik-d...yD2Kd_VYGq3an8
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Macedonian community of Australia not impressed with Elena Velevska coming for a concert after her comments a couple years ago on Bulgarian television.
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Originally posted by Liberator of Makedonija View PostYeah was going to say it's probably worse in Melbourne. Honestly too many stories to even list, relations between our communities here are terrible. Copped it from the Greek community here my entire life really, as recently as a week ago. Mind you there are exceptions, plenty of Greeks here who couldn't give a stuff about the whole situation and some even go as far as to recognise the injustice the Greek state has caused on the Macedonian people.
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Originally posted by Momce Makedonce View PostSorry to hear that LOM, can you explain your experience? I think off memory you were from Melbourne? It seems relations between Macedonians and Greeks are much more hostile there.
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