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Risto the Great 09-15-2008 03:02 AM

Macedonia and the European Union
 
Article is from Balkan Insight.

[url]http://balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/13098/[/url]

[QUOTE]Macedonia showed it lacked the institutional capacities to tackle violence and irregularities in the June elections and still has problems with political dialogue, Fouere said, adding that these shortcomings should not be minimized.[/QUOTE]
No. That is not a good enough statement. More needs to explained about their method of assessing the scope of violence and irregularities. Including recommendations related thereto.

What a vague and silly comment.

For as long as Greece, Bulgaria & Romania are in the EU, Macedonia need not worry about crossing all of its "t's" and dotting all of its "i's".

Volk 09-15-2008 05:42 AM

There is no will in EU to expand, Macedonia is left dangling, they will not say you are doing well, they will say waa waa this and that, change your name...

Go fuck yourself! Racist swine

GREEKoccupiedMacedonian 09-15-2008 08:16 AM

Macedonia desperately wants to join the EU. You can bet your last dinar that if the current clowns in the RoM government do not achieve this, then their successors will. After all this was an election promise from Gruevshki.

Jankovska 09-15-2008 03:19 PM

[QUOTE=GREEKoccupiedMacedonian;2249]Macedonia desperately wants to join the EU. You can bet your last dinar that if the current clowns in the RoM government do not achieve this, then their successors will. After all this was an election promise from Gruevshki.[/QUOTE]

Firstly it's denar and not dinar and trust me we will never join the EU or want to do so if we have to give up who we are. So you can dream and hope but it ain't gonna happen

Venom 09-15-2008 06:20 PM

So we have greece with its 100% ethnically pure nation in Europe stance. We have Bulgaria where you are free to shit on the footpath. And we have Romania which I am indifferent too but know their political and economic state are certainly not roses and rainbows.

But somehow, every single time Macedonia is not good enough.

The EU's statements are so fucken stupid sometimes (most of the time actually) and are worth ignoring except when you think about traveller, gorillas and this other clown up here sitting in a smoky room, pointing to the newspaper article and nodding knowingly.

"See the Skopians vre? They can't do nothing vre as long as the EU is feeding us drahma vre."

Pelister 09-15-2008 10:59 PM

This is an insidious attack on Macedonia's institutions, which are well above European standards.

What about the French government's "institutional capacities" ! What are the French government doing about immigrant poverty and violence in their community ?

And so on.

Look at what the Macedonians actually provides its monorities. Let it be judged on that alone !

These comments are just another shameful attempt by the European Union to deflect what is disgraceful and destabilising Albanian behavior onto the Macedonian government.

The Albanians know that the E.U will ALWAYS attack the Macedonian government.

Coolski 09-18-2008 01:02 AM

New EU Criteria: Macedonians must learn to defy Gravity
 
Rogi posted this joking title on maknews, and i filled in the story.. thought i'd share it here for a laugh/cry.

[b]New EU Criteria: Macedonians must learn to defy Gravity[/b]

SKOPJE. In what is now the third super-natural requirement on Macedonia's European Union entry, EU representative Erwan Fouere announced his latest challenge just last week. Macedonia must now defy gravity if it expects to enter the club along with Croatia and Albania.

It is clear to experts that despite reforms in the judicial system, biometric passports, economic development and the rule of law, Macedonia will not be deemed prepared unless it can complete this latest task within 2 weeks. This interesting idea was dreamt up in Athens, which is where Greeks gave democracy, Turkish coffee and kebabs to the world 500 years before they appeared in Athens. It seems that Balkan countries posses supernatural abilities indeed. Only Macedonia is yet to prove them.

When asked where the inspiration came from, foreign minister Bakoyannis replied with a brilliant piece of Athenian philosophy quoted from the 4000 year old greek philosopher Karaman (lis)
"If one who doesn't cease to exist in Europe refuses to cease to exist in Europe, one will cease to exist in Europe".

President Crvenkovski agreed with Fouere's judgement, and has established a team of pardoned experts to arrest people who can not defy gravity, along the lines of the EU's new police-state laws. Those who have termed Fouere's requirements unrealistic have been marginalised as extremists. Experts hope that they do not gain more ground in the next elections, which could see Macedonia slip away to a non-European future as an island in the Pacific. Interesting times await the Macedonians.

[url=http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=935903orbs1bz0.jpg][img]http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9199/935903orbs1bz0.th.jpg[/img][/url]

Traveller 09-18-2008 08:20 AM

They dont want you in EU plain and simple. And with Obama in the office you are in deeeeeeeeeeep shit.

Coolski 09-18-2008 08:54 AM

You never know, Macedonians might just tap into these supernatural abilities.

Rogi 09-18-2008 09:46 AM

Somehow, I don't think Obama will work for the Greeks as much as you think.

In any case, there will most likely be general elections in the UK next year and based on current polls, David Cameron might just take the top spot in the UK.

Just to jog your memory, he's the guy who wrote the article saying "why don't we call Greece the Former Ottomon Province of Greece or FOPOG".

So even with Obama in office, which is still uncertain given the closeness of the polls, there will still be a balance with the UK.

Jankovska 09-18-2008 09:55 AM

Cameron will win and than the whole EU treatment will change towards Macedonia.

The UK and the US always work closely, trust me I don't think Obama will be going out of his way to help Greece.

But we have to wait and see who is going to win. However I want to know what you think will happen if Obama does not win but Cameron does in the UK?

Metodija 09-18-2008 03:37 PM

Obama will never win! America is not ready for a black president and especially a black president with the second name Hussein.

toothpaste 09-18-2008 04:21 PM

[QUOTE=Jankovska;2579]Cameron will win and than the whole EU treatment will change towards Macedonia.

The UK and the US always work closely, trust me I don't think Obama will be going out of his way to help Greece.
[/QUOTE]

Hm..is this called wishful thinking or am i wrong? :)

EU is not tied up to UK -UK acts more or less independently in foreign affairs.
As for "working closely" ..it s more like UK is US little puppy.(who would have thought of that before 200 years!Life and history is a wheel)

However Greece is not in such bad condition to base all her hope on Messiahs.

Risto the Great 09-18-2008 05:38 PM

[QUOTE=toothpaste;2598]However Greece is not in such bad condition to base all her hope on Messiahs.[/QUOTE]
Ummm, the EU is Greece's Messiah.

Pelister 09-18-2008 08:49 PM

[QUOTE=Metodija;2595]Obama will never win! America is not ready for a black president and especially a black president with the second name Hussein.[/QUOTE]

Isn't that the strangest paradox in history.

Rogi 09-19-2008 02:48 AM

Given the alleged racism in the United States against the islamic world, I would have thought the Republican party would have used "Barack Hussein Obama" with emphasis on the Hussein, at every opportunity, rather than just "Obama" or "Barack Obama".

Interestingly enough, they haven't.

Jankovska 09-19-2008 04:08 AM

You seem to not get it- Europe is US's little puppy and everyone in the EU. The US and UK work closely because the UK is the link to Europe for America. And if Cameron comes in power no matter what presedent America has I will bet you that it will be very very good for Macedonia.
All Macedonians here must vote for Cameron.

toothpaste 09-19-2008 06:33 AM

[QUOTE=Jankovska;2653]You seem to not get it- Europe is US's little puppy and everyone in the EU. The US and UK work closely because the UK is the link to Europe for America.
.[/QUOTE]

The last NATO Conference doesnt confirm that.

Coolski 09-19-2008 07:54 PM

Sometimes puppies are bad.

Pelister 09-22-2008 02:13 AM

[QUOTE=toothpaste;2662]The last NATO Conference doesnt confirm that.[/QUOTE]

The last NATO conference confirmed something else.

The Macedonians better start looking elswhere for friends, because they are no where to be found anywhwere inside Europe.

Orovnichanec 11-16-2008 02:12 PM

Macedonia, Schengen Area & Visa Liberalisation
 
Macedonia unlikely to secure visa liberalization in 2009


Skopje /14/11/ 08:38
Despite the announcements that Macedonian citizens will travel to EU countries without visa as of mid-2009, the country will have to wait for visa liberalization until 2010, local daily said on Friday.

Dnevnik daily claims the delay in the European Commission's preliminary report on implementation of requirements contained in the roadmaps for visa liberalization is the main reason for the delay of the entire process.

The lengthy procedure of transfer of a country from the black Schengen list, including the European Parliament elections slated for June 2009, will prolong the deadline for visa liberalization, the paper said.

Dnevnik correspondent in Brussels said visa liberalization for the Western Balkans is not a popular theme in France and Germany amid fears that other countries might follow in footsteps of the Balkans, seeking visa-free travel. /end/ /vs/

Risto the Great 11-16-2008 05:54 PM

I suspect it will take another 100 years before this happens if we wait for France and Germany to make a decision about it.

Dimko-piperkata 01-08-2009 01:31 PM

Macedonia joins European Patent Organization
 
[quote]Macedonia has become a member of the European Patent Organization (EPO), as EPO membership is one of the country's obligations before joining the European Union.

Agency for Intellectual Property "Berin" announced on Thursday that Macedonia has already ratified the European Patent Convention.

Macedonia's accession into EPO would allow domestic companies and individual inventors to extend protection of their inventions throughout the territory of 27 EU member-countries - plus Croatia, Iceland, Lichtenstein, Monaco, Norway, Switzerland and Turkey - through single patent application.

This means that Macedonian companies will no longer need foreign patent representatives to the European Patent Institute, as they can submit their applications directly to Intellectual Property Agency "Berin" or to other Macedonian patent representative to the European Patent Institute in Munich. [/quote]
[url]http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/4993/2/[/url]

Risto the Great 01-08-2009 03:58 PM

A positive step.

Pelister 01-08-2009 11:10 PM

I wonder if it has joined as F.Y.R.O.M ?

I mean given what that country is prepared to do to join an organization that negates it - I wouldn't be surprised.

Bratot 01-08-2009 11:32 PM

Yes, as....The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia has ratified the European Patent Convention and will become a member of the European Patent Organisation on 1 January 2009.

[IMG]http://www.epo.org/topics/news/2008/20081230/David_Jerelic_small.jpg[/IMG]

[url]http://www.epo.org/topics/news/2008/20081230.html[/url]

Pelister 01-08-2009 11:41 PM

Its nothing to celebrate then, for mine.

Thorvald 01-09-2009 06:59 AM

[QUOTE=Pelister;8827]Its nothing to celebrate then, for mine.[/QUOTE]


You are very right.

Although I welcome the participating of Macedonia within Europe, but it should be rightious use its officially name Republic of Macedonia.

Iam afraid the Greek lobby in Europe will block the name use for a very, very long time.

I think what would be a great step in benefiting Macedonia, is if in Western Europe, especially in Germany, Holland and the UK some kind of an organisation could be established were Macedonians and West-Europeans participating in promoting the Macedonian right on use its name; a some kind of Macedonian friendship alliance. :)

Not all Western Europeans is buying the Greek propaganda falsified crap ;)

osiris 01-09-2009 08:11 AM

[QUOTE]I think what would be a great step in benefiting Macedonia, is if in Western Europe, especially in Germany, Holland and the UK some kind of an organisation could be established were Macedonians and West-Europeans participating in promoting the Macedonian right on use its name; a some kind of Macedonian friendship alliance.
[/QUOTE]
you are right on the ball thorvald, its exactly what macedonia needs in western europe.

TerraNova 01-13-2009 03:21 AM

[QUOTE=Thorvald;8869]You are very right.

Although I welcome the participating of Macedonia within Europe, but it should be rightious use its officially name Republic of Macedonia.

Iam afraid the Greek lobby in Europe will block the name use for a very, very long time.

I think what would be a great step in benefiting Macedonia, is if in Western Europe, especially in Germany, Holland and the UK some kind of an organisation could be established were Macedonians and West-Europeans participating in promoting the Macedonian right on use its name; a some kind of Macedonian friendship alliance. :)

[B]Not all Western Europeans is buying the Greek propaganda falsified crap ;)[/B][/QUOTE]

Yes ..ok.But you cannot convince anyone as a "Western European" :D

Soldier of Macedon 01-13-2009 03:47 AM

But a Western European can convince Christian Vlachs, Slavs and Albanians in Morea that they are 'Hellenes', like your Papou Veeeeron! :)

Dimko-piperkata 03-19-2009 09:58 AM

EUbusiness: Facts about Macedonia
 
[quote]
19 March 2009, 14:42 CET

(SKOPJE) - Macedonia votes Sunday in presidential and local elections seen as a key test of its ambitions of eventual membership in the European Union and NATO.

Here is a fact-file about the Balkan country:

[B]NAME:[/B] The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM), the name under which it was admitted to the United Nations to soothe Athens's objections and distinguish it from the Greek province of Macedonia.

In April 2008, Greece used its veto to block an invitation for Skopje to join NATO and has been threatening to prevent Macedonia's integration into the EU.

[B]GEOGRAPHY:[/B] Macedonia, which is landlocked, is bounded to the north by Serbia, to the east by Bulgaria, to the south by Greece and to the west by Albania. The country is mostly on a plateau about 760 metres (2,500 feet) high. The central Vardar valley is the only lowland. The climate is continental.

[B]Area:[/B] 25,333 square kilometres (9,928 square miles).

[B]CAPITAL:[/B] Skopje.

[B]POPULATION:[/B] Out of 2.2 million inhabitants, 64.2 percent are Macedonians, 25.2 Albanians, 3.8 percent are Turks, 2.7 percent are Roma and 2.2 percent are Serbs, according to a 2003 census.

[B]RELIGION:[/B] Macedonian Orthodox 67 percent, Sunni Islam 30 percent.

[B]HISTORY:[/B] Macedonia's past is closely linked to Byzantine and Turkish history until the Balkan Wars of 1912-1913, after which the geographic region of Macedonia was divided among Serbia, Greece and Bulgaria.

Following World War II, Macedonia became one of the six republics making up the Yugoslav federation. On September 8, 1991, Macedonia proclaimed its independence.

A seven-month ethnic Albanian insurgency in 2001 ended after a peace accord was brokered by the international community, giving more civil and political rights to Albanians.
[B]
POLITICAL INSTITUTIONS:[/B] Elections to the 120-member national assembly are held at least every four years.

The president, who serves a five-year term, appoints a prime minister and a cabinet of ministers.

Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski was re-elected in July 2008.

[B]ECONOMY:[/B] Still largely agricultural -- sheep, cattle, cereals and tobacco. Rich mineral resources including iron, zinc, lead, copper and chromium support industrial production in steel and chemicals.
[B]
Unemployment:[/B] 35.2 percent in 2008.
[B]
GDP per capita : [/B]4,683 dollars in 2008.
[B]
ARMED FORCES:[/B] Professional army of 7,000 soldiers.[/quote]
[url]http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/1237465022.72[/url]

Sarafot 04-03-2009 12:13 PM

European Union helping Greece to commit another ethnocide
 
European Parliament rapporteur on Macedonia Erik Meijer has asked the European Commission for confirmation whether generally accepted terms "Macedonians" and "Macedonian" and country code "MK" have been replaced with designation "to be defined", reports Deutsche Welle in Macedonian Language.

Meijer asked whether the EC takes into account that, "creation of such uncertain situation spreads the row into new fields, which are very sensitive, since they go into the national identity and become impossible to solve".

"I was informed that word 'Macedonian' would not be used anymore in EU's official terminology, as practiced until 2008. This was the reason why I asked for an official explanation from the European Commission. The Commission's response is that there is no change, and we are in a crazy situation that will not result in consequences for the EU, but makes Greece content", says MEP Meijer.

In the EC response, president Jose Manuel Barroso confirms it is true they used standard names until recently, but a decision was passed in the summer of 2008 to change this. Thus, in the interinstitutional style guide, released by the Office for Official Publications of the European Communities, term "Macedonian" and international code "MK" have been replaced with "to be defined". The Commission has confirmed that all references in documents and publications were in strict compliance with Resolution 817/93 of the UN Security Council.

According to Meijer, the Commission has given a symbolic gift to satisfy Greece when denying the use of word "Macedonian" about the language and the people.

"There is no 'fyrom' people or 'fyrom' language, only Macedonian", stressed the Dutch MEP.

Meijer also expresses concerns about the delay of the date for beginning of EU accession talks for Macedonia, despite European Parliament recommendations, assessing that the Greek opposition could last for years.

"I am big pessimist, since enlargement is not a priority at the moment. The public opinion is against and governments of member-states are happy that they have more time to decide. Enlargement is not a priority for the European Council. On the other hand, the Greek opposition on the beginning of Macedonia's accession talks could last for years. Although majority of the European Parliament supported my proposal, reality will be quite different", underlines MEP Erik Meijer. //04.02.09 MINa

[url]http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/6201/45/[/url]

TrueMacedonian 04-03-2009 04:56 PM

[url]http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1038[/url]

If you read the link above you will see why the euro-trash will help assist in this ethnocide.

TrueMacedonian 04-03-2009 05:00 PM

I also want to bring up a post by RTG from the Maknews forum that talks about ethnocide - [url]http://www.maknews.com/forum/human-rights-archive/important-information-ethnocide-t8401.html[/url]

Risto the Great 04-03-2009 08:22 PM

[QUOTE]"I am big pessimist, since enlargement is not a priority at the moment. The public opinion is against and governments of member-states are happy that they have more time to decide. Enlargement is not a priority for the European Council. On the other hand, the Greek opposition on the beginning of Macedonia's accession talks could last for years. Although majority of the European Parliament supported my proposal, reality will be quite different", underlines MEP Erik Meijer.[/QUOTE]
We know that enlargement is the furthest thing on their minds.
The grass might be greener somewhere else ... why does Macedonia continue jumping through hoops in order to satisfy these bastards?

osiris 04-04-2009 12:43 AM

our disapointment in being excluded may turn out to be a blessing in disguise in the near future, the eu remnds me of the wankers who built the titanic, pompous twats who dont realise they are only humans and not self appointed divinities.

i am glad to see however that ther are still a few real humans left within the eu parliament who understand that the first nation state in europe from which their models for nationhood are all derived is not fyrom but makedonia.

Risto the Great 04-04-2009 01:18 AM

Indeed Osiris.
Here is confirmation of your statement:
[url]http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/6217/2/[/url]

[QUOTE]Lack of membership invitation for Macedonia is not only a failure of the country, but also of NATO, assessed participants at the debate of the Western European Union (WEU) Assembly, held in the German Bundestag, in light of the jubilee Alliance summit, reports Radio Deutsche Welle-Program in Macedonian Language.

European MPs and experts debated whether the 60th NATO jubilee is truly a successful story, taking into account the accession of two new members (Croatia and Albania), but without Macedonia.

"The absence of membership invitation is not only a failure for Macedonia, but also for the European Union and NATO. I paid a visit to Macedonia together with the German Defense Minister prior to the Bucharest summit, and I regret that the country has not become a member just because of the Greek obstruction, despite the fact that cooperation with Greece in the sectors of economy and energy is good", said Social-Democrat Gerd Hoefer, chairman of the German delegation within the WEU Assembly.

Alexander Siedschlag from the Vienna Center for European Security Studies referred to the issue whether putting Macedonia in the NATO waiting room indefinitely is a success for the Alliance, saying that the answer depends on how the organization sees itself and what it wants.

[B]"If it promotes the image of transatlantic organization, which tries to present the old classical values of European civilization, human and civil rights, defend cultural values, then NATO without [SIZE="6"]Macedonia - the cradle of European culture [/SIZE]- is incomplete", stated Siedschlag.
[/B]
According to him, a solution is not possible unless Greece agrees, because NATO acts upon the classical principle of consensus. However, he reminded on the reality in certain political organizations, in the interest of the decision-making process.

"The majority can pass decisions on certain issues. There are organizations, OSCE for example, where the formula 'consensus minus one' is applied. Decisions can sometimes be adopted with one vote against. Such a principle can also be applied in the NATO context", underlined Siedschlag.[/QUOTE]

osiris 04-04-2009 01:26 AM

so risto we do have some freinds in germany amongst the social democrats and the greens. thanks mate for posting that. i think we also have support in denmark and holland. i am sending the Siedschlag an email of gratitude right now.

Risto the Great 04-04-2009 01:31 AM

Siedschlag is acknowledging some excellent points there and may well be signaling the near future for Macedonia. He is worthy of a an email of gratitude.

[url]http://www.european-security.info/basis.html[/url]


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