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Risto the Great 10-14-2012 10:59 PM

Oh, it is an Elite Club and the Greeks are just starting to figure out that being a member simply means it is easier to be urinated upon by the big end of town.

makedonche 10-14-2012 11:13 PM

[QUOTE=Risto the Great;135000]Oh, it is an Elite Club and the Greeks are just starting to figure out that being a member simply means it is easier to be urinated upon by the big end of town.[/QUOTE]

.........deservedly so!

DedoAleko 10-15-2012 08:35 AM

[B]The EU is not a “Person”: Granting the Nobel Prize to the European Union is in Violation of Alfred Nobel’s Will[/B]

This year’s Nobel Peace Prize was granted to the European Union (EU) for its relentless contribution to “the advancement of peace and reconciliation, democracy and human rights in Europe.”

While the EU’s contribution to peace is debatable, the key issue is whether a union of nation states, which constitutes a political, economic, monetary and fiscal entity is an “eligible candidate” for the Peace Prize, in accordance with the mandate of the Norwegian Committee.

The Olympic Games are “granted” to countries. But the Nobel Peace Prize cannot under any stretch of the imagination be granted to a nation-state, let alone a union of nation states.

The Norwegian Nobel Committee has a responsibility to ascertain “the eligibility of candidates” in accordance with the Will of Alfred Bernhard Nobel (Paris, 27 November, 1895).

“The whole of my remaining realizable estate shall be dealt with in the following way: the capital, invested in safe securities by my executors, shall constitute a fund, the interest on which shall be annually distributed in the form of prizes to those who, during the preceding year, shall have conferred the greatest benefit to mankind….

The said interest shall be divided into five equal parts, which shall be apportioned as follows: one part to the person who shall have made the most important discovery or invention within the field of physics; one part to the person who shall have made the most important chemical discovery or improvement; one part to the person who shall have made the most important discovery within the domain of physiology or medicine; one part to the person who shall have produced in the field of literature the most outstanding work in an ideal direction; and one part to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses. …

[F]or champions of peace [the prize will be awarded] by a committee of five persons to be elected by the Norwegian Storting. It is my express wish that in awarding the prizes no consideration whatever shall be given to the nationality of the candidates, but that the most worthy shall receive the prize, whether he be a Scandinavian or not.

Will of Alfred Bernhard Nobel, November 27, 1895, emphasis added

The conditions set out in Alfred Nobel’s Will have been twisted upside down.

Nobel’s Will is crystal clear. The five prizes are to be granted to “persons”. (See complete list of laureates)

Since its inception, however, several of the prizes have been granted to both “persons” and organizations/institutions to which they are affiliated as in the case of Henry Dunand (Red Cross) or Mohamed ElBaradei, UN International Atomic Energy Organization (IAEA). In other cases, the prize was granted as to “organizations” consisting of a collective of persons (e.g. UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change).

The granting of the Nobel Prize to the European Union, which is a political entity, a union of nation states, is visibly in blatant violation of Alfred Nobel’s Will. Under the Lisbon Treaty, the European Union acquired the status of a “legal person”. But a “legal person” is not a “person” as expressed in Alfred Nobel’s Will.

Theater of the Absurd

The European Union cannot under any stretch of the imagination be categorized as a “person”, “a group of persons” or even an “organization”. Moreover, implied in Nobel’s Will is that the candidates must be citizens without regard to nationality:

“It is my express wish that in awarding the prizes no consideration whatever shall be given to the nationality of the candidates, but that the most worthy shall receive the prize, whether he be a Scandinavian or not.(Alfred Nobel’s Will, Paris, 1895)

The European Union is a union of nation states composed of citizens.

The EU cannot be a citizen of itself, nor does the EU have a nationality.

Citizens of the EU are “eligible candidates” but the EU cannot be “an eligible candidate”.

Moreover, it stands to reason that “eligible candidates” for the Peace prize who are “persons” cannot reasonably be evaluated, compared or ranked by the Norwegian selection committee in relation to the European Union, which is a “non-person”, namely a union of countries.

This an important consideration: How does the candidacy of the EU “compare” to “other” distinguished 2012 nominees who are actual “persons”? “Oranges versus apples?

According to the procedure, a short list of nominees “is reviewed by permanent advisers and advisers specially recruited for their knowledge of specific candidates.” And based on this review, the Peace Laureate is chosen, through a majority vote of the five persons Norwegian Committee.

The prize consists of “a medal, a personal diploma, and a cash award.” Theater of the absurd: A “personal diploma” to the European Union and “a cash award”, for what, to whom? To finance the EU’s budget deficit, its bank bailout schemes?

The decision of the Norwegian Nobel Committee is diabolical and illegal, in blatant violation of its mandate.

________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Full text of Alfred Nobel’s Will

I, the undersigned, Alfred Bernhard Nobel, do hereby, after mature deliberation, declare the following to be my last Will and Testament with respect to such property as may be left by me at the time of my death:

To my nephews, Hjalmar and Ludvig Nobel, the sons of my brother Robert Nobel, I bequeath the sum of Two Hundred Thousand Crowns each;

To my nephew Emanuel Nobel, the sum of Three Hundred Thousand, and to my niece Mina Nobel, One Hundred Thousand Crowns;

To my brother Robert Nobel’s daughters, Ingeborg and Tyra, the sum of One Hundred Thousand Crowns each;

Miss Olga Boettger, at present staying with Mrs Brand, 10 Rue St Florentin, Paris, will receive One Hundred Thousand Francs;

Mrs Sofie Kapy von Kapivar, whose address is known to the Anglo-Oesterreichische Bank in Vienna, is hereby entitled to an annuity of 6000 Florins Ö.W. which is paid to her by the said Bank, and to this end I have deposited in this Bank the amount of 150,000 Fl. in Hungarian State Bonds;

Mr Alarik Liedbeck, presently living at 26 Sturegatan, Stockholm, will receive One Hundred Thousand Crowns;

Miss Elise Antun, presently living at 32 Rue de Lubeck, Paris, is entitled to an annuity of Two Thousand Five Hundred Francs. In addition, Forty Eight Thousand Francs owned by her are at present in my custody, and shall be refunded;

Mr Alfred Hammond, Waterford, Texas, U.S.A. will receive Ten Thousand Dollars;

The Misses Emy and Marie Winkelmann, Potsdamerstrasse, 51, Berlin, will receive Fifty Thousand Marks each;

Mrs Gaucher, 2 bis Boulevard du Viaduc, Nimes, France will receive One Hundred Thousand Francs;

My servants, Auguste Oswald and his wife Alphonse Tournand, employed in my laboratory at San Remo, will each receive an annuity of One Thousand Francs;

My former servant, Joseph Girardot, 5, Place St. Laurent, Châlons sur Saône, is entitled to an annuity of Five Hundred Francs, and my former gardener, Jean Lecof, at present with Mrs Desoutter, receveur Curaliste, Mesnil, Aubry pour Ecouen, S.& O., France, will receive an annuity of Three Hundred Francs;

Mr Georges Fehrenbach, 2, Rue Compiègne, Paris, is entitled to an annual pension of Five Thousand Francs from January 1, 1896 to January 1, 1899, when the said pension shall discontinue;

A sum of Twenty Thousand Crowns each, which has been placed in my custody, is the property of my brother’s children, Hjalmar, Ludvig, Ingeborg and Tyra, and shall be repaid to them.





The whole of my remaining realizable estate shall be dealt with in the following way: the capital, invested in safe securities by my executors, shall constitute a fund, the interest on which shall be annually distributed in the form of prizes to those who, during the preceding year, shall have conferred the greatest benefit to mankind. The said interest shall be divided into five equal parts, which shall be apportioned as follows: one part to the person who shall have made the most important discovery or invention within the field of physics; one part to the person who shall have made the most important chemical discovery or improvement; one part to the person who shall have made the most important discovery within the domain of physiology or medicine; one part to the person who shall have produced in the field of literature the most outstanding work in an ideal direction; and one part to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses. The prizes for physics and chemistry shall be awarded by the Swedish Academy of Sciences; that for physiological or medical work by the Caroline Institute in Stockholm; that for literature by the Academy in Stockholm, and that for champions of peace by a committee of five persons to be elected by the Norwegian Storting. It is my express wish that in awarding the prizes no consideration whatever shall be given to the nationality of the candidates, but that the most worthy shall receive the prize, whether he be a Scandinavian or not.

As Executors of my testamentary dispositions, I hereby appoint Mr Ragnar Sohlman, resident at Bofors, Värmland, and Mr Rudolf Lilljequist, 31 Malmskillnadsgatan, Stockholm, and at Bengtsfors near Uddevalla. To compensate for their pains and attention, I grant to Mr Ragnar Sohlman, who will presumably have to devote most time to this matter, One Hundred Thousand Crowns, and to Mr Rudolf Lilljequist, Fifty Thousand Crowns;

At the present time, my property consists in part of real estate in Paris and San Remo, and in part of securities deposited as follows: with The Union Bank of Scotland Ltd in Glasgow and London, Le Crédit Lyonnais, Comptoir National d’Escompte, and with Alphen Messin & Co. in Paris; with the stockbroker M.V. Peter of Banque Transatlantique, also in Paris; with Direction der Disconto Gesellschaft and Joseph Goldschmidt & Cie, Berlin; with the Russian Central Bank, and with Mr Emanuel Nobel in Petersburg; with Skandinaviska Kredit Aktiebolaget in Gothenburg and Stockholm, and in my strong-box at 59, Avenue Malakoff, Paris; further to this are accounts receivable, patents, patent fees or so-called royalties etc. in connection with which my Executors will find full information in my papers and books.

This Will and Testament is up to now the only one valid, and revokes all my previous testamentary dispositions, should any such exist after my death.

Finally, it is my express wish that following my death my veins shall be opened, and when this has been done and competent Doctors have confirmed clear signs of death, my remains shall be cremated in a so-called crematorium.

Paris, 27 November, 1895

Alfred Bernhard Nobel

That Mr Alfred Bernhard Nobel, being of sound mind, has of his own free will declared the above to be his last Will and Testament, and that he has signed the same, we have, in his presence and the presence of each other, hereunto subscribed our names as witnesses:

Sigurd Ehrenborg
former Lieutenant
Paris: 84 Boulevard Haussmann

R. W. Strehlenert
Civil Engineer
4, Passage Caroline

Thos Nordenfelt
Constructor
8, Rue Auber, Paris

Leonard Hwass
Civil Engineer
4, Passage Caroline

izvor: [url]http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-eu-is-not-a-person-granting-the-nobel-prize-to-the-european-union-is-in-violation-of-alfred-nobels-will-2/5308142[/url]

DedoAleko 11-17-2012 09:30 AM

eU officials insult Macedonia/Macedonians
 
[B]Russo-Estonian eU Ambassador Orav, not the shiniest coin in the fountain[/B]

The Russian-Estonian EU Ambassador to Macedonia decided it's up to him how he names Macedonia, so during a session in Brussels, Mr. Orav opted for the most insulting of all, 'SlavoMacedonians'.

In a speech for AFET, which is the abbreviation for the EU Commission of foreign affairs, Mr Orav stated that the "Ohrid Framework Agreement was very important for the ethnic Albanians and slavomacedonians who interpret the framework differently."



Later, the Russian-Estonian born EU Ambassador spoke about the "Government from Skopje", and of course the bright future of "slavomacedonians".


This isn't the first time for an EU official to be renaming Macedonians as they see fit. For several years, the EU refused to spell out the language as "Macedonian", despite the fact it's internationally recognized and dozens of universities world wide teach it and offer degrees in it since 1944.

Meanwhile, Mr. Avio Orav has ensured himself a short stay in Macedonia and future awkward moments with both politicians and citizens alike.

Even freshman students studying Political Science 101 know this little rule - Don't insult your host.

izvor: [url]http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/22223/1/[/url]

George S. 11-17-2012 10:31 AM

Who is this person DRav to insult us ,There are a lot of stupid ignorant people around like him.Reminds me of gligorov saying we aren't macedonians we are slavs,These are just bs statements to insult us.In furure don't welcome him into ROM as they got stupid preconceived ideas of who wee are.There is no need to thank him for his comments he has adopted the greek side of greek propaganda.

DedoAleko 11-17-2012 12:01 PM

The Government of R.Macedonia protests and condemns the eU Ambassadors statements

google translate:

[B]Government protest and condemnation by Ambassador Orav term "Slavo-Macedonians"[/B]

Regarding the use of the term "Slavo-Macedonians" by Ambassador Aivo Orav, the Government considers that such treatment does not contribute to the solution of the open question that our country has with its southern neighbor, and expressed strong dissent, protest and condemnation of .

- If this is someone's idea of ​​different behavior of certain representatives of the European Commission at a time like us using the term "Macedonian", and in another moment they appreciate our neighbors using the term "Slavo-Macedonians", should be aware that such a relationship did not contribute to solving the open, according to today's announcement by the Government of the Republic of Macedonia.

While this attitude brings confusion in the process, creates a basic problem that this acting and not guided by principles in their behavior, and with such inconsistencies, it creates a ground for the result of processes. Guided by the need to appease the clamor in one or another country, while ripple and create with this behavior, you need to be aware that you can not achieve results.

- With this attitude Ambassador Orav should know and be aware that expresses disrespect for the fundamental principle of self-determination and self-naming. Also, in this regard, you should know that consciously or unconsciously shows that open issue is not just the name of our country, but for the identity, and the European Commission itself draws dangerous ground in a dispute which the defined by the United Nations, according to a statement.

Government appreciates the efforts of the European Commission in the enlargement process, but, as stated, appeals principled respect of all its representatives regarding this very important issue for us.

izvor: [url]http://www.taratur.com/node/38804[/url]

DedoAleko 11-17-2012 04:26 PM

The media is full with texts quoting our government, condemning eU ambassadors statements and demanding actions from our government.

For example:


[url]http://kanal5.com.mk/default.aspx?mId=37&egId=13&eventId=99382[/url]

[url]http://www.mkd.mk/76126/makedonija/nikovski-orav-da-se-proglasi-za-nepozelna-licnost/[/url]

[url]http://sitel.com.mk/vladata-so-protest-i-osuda-do-evroambasadorot-orav-za-upotrebata-na-terminot-slavomakedonci[/url]

[url]http://dnevnik.com.mk/default.asp?ItemID=7A13071BA4E1DD42A638A0DA5562459B[/url]

[url]http://utrinski.com.mk/?ItemID=251DFAD0F4FE2B4B90D76532AF5971BE[/url]

(these texts are in Macedonian,so you might need to use translator :P )

DedoAleko 11-18-2012 07:42 AM

[B]Ambassador Nikovski wants EU Chief in Macedonia (Aivo Orav) Expelled
[/B]
"He needs to be ignored, by all, at all levels. No institution should have any contacts, if Aivo Orav does not publicly apologize. If he refuses to apologize and remains isolated as he most certainly will be, he himself will ask to leave," stated Macedonian ambassador Risto Nikovski in an interview earlier today.



This was Ambassador Nikovski's reaction to a press conference in Brussels by the EU mission chief to Macedonia, Aivo Orav in European Parliament while speaking for Macedonia's perspectives in the EU's integration process. During his speech, he repeatedly insulted Macedonians by calling them 'slavomacedonians', a poor attempt to appease Athens.



"It would be best for the Macedonian Government to proclaim Mr. Orav (persona non grata) and simply expell him from the country. We unfortunately don't have the capacity to do something like this, which is why foreign diplomats insult us, in our own home, time and time again," commented Ambassador Nikovski.

izvor: [url]http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/22231/1/[/url]

DedoAleko 11-19-2012 05:03 AM

google translate:

[B]Aivo Orav reports to Ivanov[/B]

President Ivanov called Ambassador Aivo Orav for emergency consultations, because his speech before the European Commission, in which the Macedonians were called Slavo-Macedonians.
Unofficially the President will ask the Ambassador to publicly apologize to the Macedonian people and to express respect for the basic principle of self-determination and self-naming.

izvor: [url]http://www.mkd.mk/76467/makedonija/aivo-orav-na-raport-kaj-ivanov/[/url]

Risto the Great 11-19-2012 06:23 AM

[QUOTE=DedoAleko;136776]
[B]Unofficially[/B] the President will ask the Ambassador to publicly apologize to the Macedonian people and to express respect for the basic principle of self-determination and self-naming.[/QUOTE]
I say grow a pair and make it OFFICIAL!


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