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Voltron 06-30-2011 06:10 AM

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;103737]What do UN resolutions have to do with EU accession negotiations?

Why is blocking a chapter "unfounded", particularly when it has already happened:

Maybe you were just stating your uninformed opinion - it seems popular these days.[/QUOTE]

Those examples like Croatia and Slovenia is a perfect example. Slovenia had Croatia by the balls yet it was obligated to release the veto due to outside pressure. It was not sustainalble.

Same thing with all other cases, the veto's were lifted to have the candadite country continue negotiations.

The UN resolutions are relevent because its extra backing and support as to why a member would block a candadite country. Without that type of backing it is extrememly difficult to veto once the negotiations has started.

Voltron 06-30-2011 06:12 AM

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;103739]Did you even read the examples I provided above? Other than your 'gut feeling', do you have anything of substance to contribute?[/QUOTE]

Im just going by the news and real case examples like the ones you mentioned. I dont see Greece being able to block Macedonia once the negotiations start. It will simply be a waiting game which Macedonia will wait out.

Vangelovski 06-30-2011 06:27 AM

[quote=Voltron;103741]Im just going by the news and real case examples like the ones you mentioned. I dont see Greece being able to block Macedonia once the negotiations start. It will simply be a waiting game which Macedonia will wait out.[/quote]I've given you THREE examples of negotiations been blocked and you still don't think it will be able to happen?

Voltron 06-30-2011 06:35 AM

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;103742]I've given you THREE examples of negotiations been blocked and you still don't think it will be able to happen?[/QUOTE]

Yes, you did and in each of those cases did the member country that was blocking the candadite get what they wanted ?

Not entirely, but they were forced to lift the veto after external pressure from other member states. That is why Greece does not want Macedonia to start the negotiations. Once that happens its a different ball game altogether.

Vangelovski 06-30-2011 06:56 AM

[quote=Voltron;103743]Yes, you did and in each of those cases did the member country that was blocking the candadite get what they wanted ?

Not entirely, but they were forced to lift the veto after external pressure from other member states. That is why Greece does not want Macedonia to start the negotiations. Once that happens its a different ball game altogether.[/quote]

YES, Italy got what it wanted:

[url]http://www.esiweb.org/enlargement/?cat=82#awp::?cat=82[/url]

YES, the EU got what it wanted from Austria:

[url]http://www.demokratiezentrum.org/fileadmin/media/pdf/heinisch_controversy.pdf[/url]

YES, Slovenia has partly gotten what it wants - compensation until a final resolution
[url]http://www.evropa.gov.si/en/content/news/news/select/eu_enlargment/news/eu-affairs-committee-approves-croatia-closing-fisheries-talks/ccd1b5d87c/[/url]

Voltron 06-30-2011 07:07 AM

[QUOTE=Vangelovski;103745]YES, Italy got what it wanted:

[url]http://www.esiweb.org/enlargement/?cat=82#awp::?cat=82[/url]

YES, the EU got what it wanted from Austria:

[url]http://www.demokratiezentrum.org/fileadmin/media/pdf/heinisch_controversy.pdf[/url]

YES, Slovenia has partly gotten what it wants - compensation until a final resolution
[url]http://www.evropa.gov.si/en/content/news/news/select/eu_enlargment/news/eu-affairs-committee-approves-croatia-closing-fisheries-talks/ccd1b5d87c/[/url][/QUOTE]

Thanks for the links, im still not sure what happened to Austria I will read the whole pdf later. I see that Italy did get what it wanted.
As far as Slovenia, I think their demands will not be met. A compromise will happen for sure.

Risto the Great 06-30-2011 02:13 PM

Macedonia will do whatever it takes to get into the EU.
Looking at what it already has agreed to in this process is merely confirmation that any and all capitulations are possible.

Pelister 07-01-2011 11:06 PM

Isn't the E.U then just a foriegn policy tool of Greece, and arn't advocates of the E.U really then just supporting the Greeks?

Pelister 07-05-2011 12:09 AM

I wanted to produce more information to show that the E.U policy of erasing Macedonia, and erasing Macedonians.

[B]E.U Agency:[/B]

1. Office for Official Publications of the European Communities

Year: 2009

The MIA, citing Erik Meijer, the European Parliament Rapporteur for Macedonia:

[quote] In the inter-institutional style guide complied by the Office for Official Publications of the European Communities, these terms [B] (the terms 'Macedonian', 'Macedonians' and country code 'MK') [U]have been replaced[/U] with 'to be defined' [/B][/quote]

Has anyone seen the European Commission's institutional guide on names recently?

What is it calling Macedonia, and the Macedonians?

Article:

[url]http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/macedonian-identity-to-be-defined[/url]

For evidence of the 'to be defined' code, and ubiquitous use of the FYROM acronym go here:

[url]http://europa.eu/archives/veritysear...nput=Macedonia[/url]

Onur 07-07-2011 02:31 PM

Denmark finally re-introduced border controls and customs check to all of it`s borders yesterday. EU leaders are protesting Denmark for that;

[QUOTE][B][COLOR="Red"]Schengen state Denmark beefs up border controls[/COLOR][/B]

[B]Denmark, part of the Schengen border-free zone, has deployed extra customs officers on its frontiers in a move causing concern among EU neighbours.[/B]

[IMG]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/53862000/jpg/_53862394_012378706-1.jpg[/IMG]
[B][SIZE="1"]Danish customs officers were at work on the Oeresund sea bridge with Sweden[/SIZE][/B]


Thirty additional officers were being posted on the Danish land border with Germany and 20 others on the country's sea borders.

TV crews crowded on to border crossings to record the first checks, with some media offering live coverage.

Denmark's government is under pressure to curb illegal immigration.

The centre-right coalition moved to introduce the additional customs agents after calls from its populist ally, the right-wing Danish People's Party (DPP), and the legislation cleared parliament on Friday.

Finance Minister Claus Hjort Frederiksen said earlier: "We have seen too many examples of violence, break-ins and brutal criminality committed by perpetrators who have crossed the borders."

But many have questioned the legality of the Danish move under the 1995 Schengen Agreement, which abolished internal borders, enabling passport-free movement inside much of western Europe.

Juerg-Uwe Hahn, justice minister of Germany's Hessen region, told Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten that Denmark had "ostracised itself".

He was speaking before a meeting of Germany's powerful regional ministers in Berlin this week, which is expected to condemn the Danish initiative.
Bemused motorist

A Dutch motorist appeared slightly alarmed after being stopped by customs officers after she entered Denmark from Germany at Froslev on Tuesday morning, the online edition of Jyllands-Posten reports.

As the first motorist to be checked, she was asked to pull over 20m inside the border, and found herself being questioned by several customs officers as some 50 media people crowded around her car, the paper says.

Also on Tuesday morning, Danish customs officers could be seen working at the Oeresund sea bridge between Denmark and Sweden.

The Danish reinforcements come on top of a force of about 160, which will grow to 260 by the end of this year, according to Reuters news agency.

Responding to German concerns earlier, Danish officials stressed they did not mean to reintroduce passport controls or hold up travel.

"This is a matter of reinforced customs control where we will go after illegal import of, among other things, narcotics, weapons and large amounts of money, precisely as we do today," tax and customs administration director Erling Andersen said in a statement on Friday.

"There will not be any systematic control of all vehicles and trains that pass the border, and the controls will be carried out with the least possible disturbance to traffic."

Defending the plans back in May, the Danish finance minister said: "Over the past few years we have seen an increase in trans-border crime, and this is designed to curb the problem."

Denmark's ruling coalition of liberals and conservatives relies on the right-wing DPP's support to pass legislation in parliament.

The country must hold its next general election by this November.

5 July 2011

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14028112[/url][/QUOTE]


So, just as the Euro currency, i think Schengen days are over soon too.


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