Was Basil the Macedonian really Armenian???

TrueMacedonian · 02-22-2009, 06:30 PM

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What is everyones opinion? I know many of you do not like the "slavness" of the text above but Shea does offer some valid points about Basil.

Philosopher · 02-22-2009, 09:01 PM

I have already read this information elsewhere; it is very insightful.

You are right about the Slav matter though; there is no people on the face of this earth called Slavs. If there are Slavs somewhere, anywhere, I would really like someone to show them to me.

Basil could have been of mixed extraction.

Soldier of Macedon · 02-23-2009, 05:34 AM

The Macedonian Emperor's of East Rome were of mixed Armenian and local Slavic-speaking Macedonian/Thracian extraction, much the same as Tsar Samuel and his family. The people of the Thracian regions which corresponds to the Macedonian Theme of East Rome were of the same origin, culture and language as the people of Macedonia proper. Often in history, western and southern Thrace in general has held a place of relevance for the Macedonians, the Slavic-speakers were the locals, the Armenians were brought in as colonists and 'good citizens' by the East Romans from Asia Minor.

Delodephius · 02-23-2009, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Philosopher

I have already read this information elsewhere; it is very insightful.

You are right about the Slav matter though; there is no people on the face of this earth called Slavs. If there are Slavs somewhere, anywhere, I would really like someone to show them to me.

Slovaks and Slovenes. I cannot vouch for Slovene, but we Slovaks were not always called Slovaks. In fact, the name Slovak is of Polish origin, not even our own (same as Polak for themselves, from Polan). Before the 16th-17th century we called ourselves Sloveni or Slovieni (depending on dialect), which in most other Slavic languages means simply Slavs. In fact, we had to invent a new word for Slavs to make a distinction between ourselves and the other Slavic speakers, that is why we, and the Slovenes, use Slovania and Slovani, respectively, for the term Slavs.
However, only the masculine form of Slav in Slovak changed into slovák. All the other forms remained the same: slovenka (Slovak woman), slovenský (Slovak language), Slovensko (Slovakia).
For comparison, in Old Church Slavonic, the Slavs are called Словѣнє (Slověne), словѣньскъіи (slověnьskyjь).

Sarafot · 02-23-2009, 11:42 AM

Tomas we had argue abuot this,all of you saied that Slavs Slovani Sloveni commed out of ''SLOVO'' when C and M were spreading their work,but none of you didnt explain how in 6 cent. Macedonian states were called SCLAVINII-SLAVINI??? There was no SLOVO shearing works then!!

Delodephius · 02-23-2009, 11:58 AM

Sarafot, first thing, I don't know what you thought I said but I never said Slovaene derived from slovo. Second, you need to improve your English because I don't understand your last sentence at all. Third, why do you think I should even consider you for an opinion about any history or linguistic topic?! You're obviously not qualified even to compose a coherent sentence.

Ne Smassen · 02-23-2009, 12:12 PM

How about displaying a little more tact Slovak.

Delodephius · 02-23-2009, 12:31 PM

No reason to.

Ne Smassen · 02-23-2009, 12:39 PM

Yeah, actually there is. Do you defend your papers in the same way? by jumping up and down like a spoiled brat and attacking the professors that disagree with you?

Delodephius · 02-23-2009, 01:18 PM

No, I act nicely to the professor and agree with his views when he/she asks me a question. I do not care if they disagree with me or not on my own views.

02-22-2009, 06:30 PM	#1
TrueMacedonian Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,809	Was Basil the Macedonian really Armenian??? page 56 What is everyones opinion? I know many of you do not like the "slavness" of the text above but Shea does offer some valid points about Basil. __________________ Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

02-23-2009, 05:34 AM	#3
Soldier of Macedon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,660	The Macedonian Emperor's of East Rome were of mixed Armenian and local Slavic-speaking Macedonian/Thracian extraction, much the same as Tsar Samuel and his family. The people of the Thracian regions which corresponds to the Macedonian Theme of East Rome were of the same origin, culture and language as the people of Macedonia proper. Often in history, western and southern Thrace in general has held a place of relevance for the Macedonians, the Slavic-speakers were the locals, the Armenians were brought in as colonists and 'good citizens' by the East Romans from Asia Minor. __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

02-23-2009, 11:42 AM	#5
Sarafot Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Celje/Виница Posts: 616	Tomas we had argue abuot this,all of you saied that Slavs Slovani Sloveni commed out of ''SLOVO'' when C and M were spreading their work,but none of you didnt explain how in 6 cent. Macedonian states were called SCLAVINII-SLAVINI??? There was no SLOVO shearing works then!! __________________ Ние македонците не сме ни срби, ни бугари, туку просто Македонци. Ние ги симпатизираме и едните и другите, кој ќе не ослободи, нему ќе му речеме благодарам, но србите и бугарите нека не забораваат дека Македонија е само за Македонците. - Борис Сарафов, 2 септември 1902

02-23-2009, 11:58 AM	#6
Delodephius Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Petrovecz Baciensis, Res Publica Iazygia Posts: 736	Sarafot, first thing, I don't know what you thought I said but I never said Slovaene derived from slovo. Second, you need to improve your English because I don't understand your last sentence at all. Third, why do you think I should even consider you for an opinion about any history or linguistic topic?! You're obviously not qualified even to compose a coherent sentence. __________________ अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्। उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥ This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count. But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

02-23-2009, 12:31 PM	#8
Delodephius Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Petrovecz Baciensis, Res Publica Iazygia Posts: 736	No reason to. __________________ अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्। उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥ This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count. But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

02-22-2009, 09:01 PM	#2
Philosopher Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,003	I have already read this information elsewhere; it is very insightful. You are right about the Slav matter though; there is no people on the face of this earth called Slavs. If there are Slavs somewhere, anywhere, I would really like someone to show them to me. Basil could have been of mixed extraction.

02-23-2009, 12:12 PM	#7
Ne Smassen Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 15	How about displaying a little more tact Slovak.

02-23-2009, 12:39 PM	#9
Ne Smassen Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 15	Yeah, actually there is. Do you defend your papers in the same way? by jumping up and down like a spoiled brat and attacking the professors that disagree with you? Last edited by Ne Smassen; 02-23-2009 at 12:43 PM.

02-23-2009, 01:18 PM	#10
Delodephius Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Petrovecz Baciensis, Res Publica Iazygia Posts: 736	No, I act nicely to the professor and agree with his views when he/she asks me a question. I do not care if they disagree with me or not on my own views. __________________ अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्। उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥ This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count. But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

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