Schaubert, a German, created modern Athens

TrueMacedonian · 02-18-2009, 07:27 PM

I always thought that there were ethnic "greeks" that built their own cities let alone there most famous classical city

Risto the Great · 02-18-2009, 08:28 PM

Not Schaubert ... I have it on good authority his name was actually Sobertis and he danced the rembetika over every square kilometre of the planned city.

Dejan · 02-18-2009, 10:49 PM

lol

i can just picture him dancing at the parthenon

Pelister · 02-19-2009, 12:36 AM

Only 5,000 inhabitants. The average Macedonian village was bigger.

osiris · 02-19-2009, 12:45 AM

gee pelister are you sure macedonian villages were on average 5000 plus people, i find that very hard believe.

Pelister · 02-19-2009, 12:53 AM

The Macedonians were pretty dispersed.

Take the Greek census of Egej in 1921, which showed 500,000 Macedonians. Most of these lived in villages, not the larger urban centres. Solun was mostly Jewish, and Turkish.

Only in the very late 19th century was there a move to urban centres in their district.

If you look at the census data of villages in the Macedonian Republic, as far back as they go, you see a village of 5, 6, or 7 thousand inhabitants even 50 or 60 years ago, gradually dwindle or decline to only a few dozen people, today.

Daskalot · 02-19-2009, 01:32 AM

TM, you are an onslaught on the feeble Greeks minds.....

osiris · 02-19-2009, 02:16 AM

i am not doubting you pelister but i dont know of one village with that many inhabitants.

TrueMacedonian · 02-19-2009, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daskalot

TM, you are an onslaught on the feeble Greeks minds.....

I like to disappoint there fantasies

Tribunal · 02-26-2009, 01:22 PM

This is yet another example of numerous history 'engineering' resulting in a mass delusion of an entire country.

As the book quoted by TrueMacedonian says,the original blueprint for Athens was drawn up by the German architect Eduard Schaubert,who was assisted by French citizen of Greek origin Stamatis Kleanthis.Schaubert's original plan envisioned a drastic reconstruction(or invention) of Athens.Acropolis was to be the centre of roundabout ,with the main street lined with trees,40 meters wide,stretching all the way up to the ancient stadium.If Athens was built as planned it would truely have been an masterpiece.However,when the Greeks started the construction the result was a mess which anyone can see today,resembling anything but the original idea.
From here starts the actual tragedy of an outright manipulation.
There are currently 2 versions of 'history' which are narrated in Greece.
According to the mainstream 'history',Athens as it is today was the 'original' plan.The credit for drastically changing this lonely townlet was given to Kleanthis.The name of Schaubert is hardly mentioned today,and even if it is,his role is relegated to that of an assistant.
Another version of 'history' does actually recognise the original city plan.But a third party (Bavarians) was exclusively blamed for the mutilation of the original city plan,and again,even in this version most of the credit for the original plan was given to Kleanthis.All this falsification resulted merely in re-enforcing the urban legend that 'if everything went on as the Greeks envisioned,everything would have been perfect'.

BTW,Kleanthis was born in Velventos,Kozani.

02-18-2009, 07:27 PM	#1
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Daskalot Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: In a Library Posts: 4,345	TM, you are an onslaught on the feeble Greeks minds..... __________________ Macedonian Truth Organisation

02-19-2009, 12:36 AM	#4
Pelister Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 2,742	Only 5,000 inhabitants. The average Macedonian village was bigger.

02-19-2009, 12:45 AM	#5
osiris Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,969	gee pelister are you sure macedonian villages were on average 5000 plus people, i find that very hard believe.

02-19-2009, 12:53 AM	#6
Pelister Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 2,742	The Macedonians were pretty dispersed. Take the Greek census of Egej in 1921, which showed 500,000 Macedonians. Most of these lived in villages, not the larger urban centres. Solun was mostly Jewish, and Turkish. Only in the very late 19th century was there a move to urban centres in their district. If you look at the census data of villages in the Macedonian Republic, as far back as they go, you see a village of 5, 6, or 7 thousand inhabitants even 50 or 60 years ago, gradually dwindle or decline to only a few dozen people, today.

02-19-2009, 02:16 AM	#8
osiris Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,969	i am not doubting you pelister but i dont know of one village with that many inhabitants.

02-26-2009, 01:22 PM	#10
Tribunal Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 10	This is yet another example of numerous history 'engineering' resulting in a mass delusion of an entire country. As the book quoted by TrueMacedonian says,the original blueprint for Athens was drawn up by the German architect Eduard Schaubert,who was assisted by French citizen of Greek origin Stamatis Kleanthis.Schaubert's original plan envisioned a drastic reconstruction(or invention) of Athens.Acropolis was to be the centre of roundabout ,with the main street lined with trees,40 meters wide,stretching all the way up to the ancient stadium.If Athens was built as planned it would truely have been an masterpiece.However,when the Greeks started the construction the result was a mess which anyone can see today,resembling anything but the original idea. From here starts the actual tragedy of an outright manipulation. There are currently 2 versions of 'history' which are narrated in Greece. According to the mainstream 'history',Athens as it is today was the 'original' plan.The credit for drastically changing this lonely townlet was given to Kleanthis.The name of Schaubert is hardly mentioned today,and even if it is,his role is relegated to that of an assistant. Another version of 'history' does actually recognise the original city plan.But a third party (Bavarians) was exclusively blamed for the mutilation of the original city plan,and again,even in this version most of the credit for the original plan was given to Kleanthis.All this falsification resulted merely in re-enforcing the urban legend that 'if everything went on as the Greeks envisioned,everything would have been perfect'. BTW,Kleanthis was born in Velventos,Kozani.

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