The invention of the "Slavic" fairytale

[DedoAleko]

Basil Chulev-The invention of the "Slavic" fairytale (From the monk Foma to "South-Slavia" )

[Dejan]

I found this to be a good read. I like how it has been summed up.

Excellent to have as a document that can be shared also

[Risto the Great]

It was a good read.
Something new was the Old Macedonian bible that the French Kings used in their coronations. Clearly all things Slavonic were not always thought of as lowly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reims_Gospel

[Amphipolis]

It was a good read.
Something new was the Old Macedonian bible that the French Kings used in their coronations. Clearly all things Slavonic were not always thought of as lowly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reims_Gospel

Hmmm... this manuscript has a 1395 note saying:

"The Year of Our Lord 1395. These Gospels and Epistles were written in the Slavic language ... the other part was written by the hand of St. Procopius, abbot, and this text was offered by Charles IV, Emperor of the Romans, to the Slavic monastery, in honor of Saint Jerome and Saint Procopius, God, please give him eternal rest. Amen."

... and all this is in a thesis trying to persuade us that the term Slavic is a misunderstanding introduced in the 1800s. The above note dates this manuscript from 1300s back to even 1000 AD (though this may be just a myth) and the location of the "Slavic monastery" could be Croatia, Bulgaria, Russia or Prague.

I don't see any reference or interest in the content, which makes me assume that this is not unique but a fragmented copy of an already saved translation of the Bible in Old Church Slavonic (but of which version, I wonder?).

[Amphipolis]

It is noted and well documented that St. Jerome used Glagolitic script back at 4th and the beginning of the 5th
century, 5 centuries before pretended "invention" of the Cyrillic script

Actually, it is not documented at all, it is considered a mythical tradition and there are no documents (or logic) behind it. More here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glagolitic_alphabet

(use Ctrl+F Jerome)

[Risto the Great]

Hmmm... this manuscript has a 1395 note saying:

"The Year of Our Lord 1395. These Gospels and Epistles were written in the Slavic language ... the other part was written by the hand of St. Procopius, abbot, and this text was offered by Charles IV, Emperor of the Romans, to the Slavic monastery, in honor of Saint Jerome and Saint Procopius, God, please give him eternal rest. Amen."

... and all this is in a thesis trying to persuade us that the term Slavic is a misunderstanding introduced in the 1800s. The above note dates this manuscript from 1300s back to even 1000 AD (though this may be just a myth) and the location of the "Slavic monastery" could be Croatia, Bulgaria, Russia or Prague.

I don't see any reference or interest in the content, which makes me assume that this is not unique but a fragmented copy of an already saved translation of the Bible in Old Church Slavonic (but of which version, I wonder?).

What are you trying to say?
Please show me how "slavic" was written by the Bohemian monk in his postscript.

Further, none of this detracts from the reverence given to this document by French royalty. The point being (as stated previously) all things Slavonic were not always thought of as lowly.

[Amphipolis]

What are you trying to say?
Please show me how "slavic" was written by the Bohemian monk in his postscript.

This is Chinese to me, but my guess is that it may probably be in the left page of this. Can you read it at all?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Reimski_evan%C4%91elistar.1.jpg

Maybe this can help (it also has a pdf file in Croatian)

http://www.croatianhistory.net/etf/reims.html

Edit: It includes this (is it a transliteration of the original? or a translation?)

Kolofon Reimskoga evanđelistara prema čitanju g. Vlatka Bilića 2010.:

LET G(OSPOD)N(I)H •1•3•9•5 { TATO E(VAN)J(E)LIE A EP(ISTO)LIE •
JESTO SU PISANI SLOVJANSKIM JAZ(I)KEM • TI JMAJI SPIEVANI
BITI N(A) GODI • KDIŽ OP(A)T POD KORUNU MŠI SLUŽI {{
A DRUGA STRANA TIEHTO KNIŽEK • JENŽ JE PODLE RUSSKEGO Z(A)K(O)NA •
PSAL JE S(VA)TI PROKOP OP(A)T SVU RUKU •
A TO PISMO RUSSKE DAL NEBOŽTIK KAREL • ČTVRTI
C(A)R RZIMSKI KO SLAVJANI TOMUTO KL(A)ŠTRU •
A KE CTI SVATEMU JERONIMU • I SVATEMU PROKOPU {
GOSPODINE RAČ MU DATI POKOJ VIEČNI AMEN •

GOD = veliki blagdan, Božić ili Uskrs (u današnjemu češkom jeziku: Hod Boži vanočni i Hod Boži velikonočni)
NEBOŽTIK = pokojnik
KE CTI = na čast
RAČ MU DATI = udostoj mu se dati

This link gives also a good summary and mentions the books (of 1800s or recent) that have analysed this manuscript.

http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages\R\E\ReimsGospel.htm

Lastly, the book that Wikipedia uses as a reference is a 1100 pages long 1850s French book on early Christian inscriptions, but it can be found online here:

https://books.google.gr/books?id=kyAAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PT572&hl=el&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q&f=false

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[Redsun]

What I understand, based on Wikipedia.

The first part was written in Glagolitic and believed to have been written by the hand of St. Procopius, the “origin” of the manuscript is not certain. The older part was “”probably”” written in calligraphy on the island of Krk, or in a monastery in Bulgaria, Bohemia, Ukraine, or Russia.

It is unknown who the author is and when it was written.

How old is the Glagolitic part?

Why was it not completed in the Glagolitic text?

How did Charles IV acquire it?

St. Procopius lived between 970 – 1053, 150 years before the fourth crusade.

I don’t understand why it wasn’t completed around the time it was first written, if the monk/priest/whatever while writing it died, wouldn’t a fellow disciple within the monastery where it was written (where ever that may have been) finish it around the same time period.

Why wasn’t it completed? Was it looted by soldiers that couldn’t complete it in Glagolitic.

Perhaps the story of St. Procopius as author is a fabrication, a more satisfactory story of acquisition than theft.


Basil Chulev - Beside, the Cyrillic alphabet wasn’t created at all by SS. Cyril and Methodius, but was simply adapted Glagolitic script which was used by all Macedonic eparchies around Europe.

I enjoyed reading "the invention of the "slavic" fairy tale" I found it very easy to understand and well presented

[Soldier of Macedon]

An interesting article in which the author makes some good points, but I would question his opinion on a few things, such as the origin of the term 'Pravoslavni' and the supposed absurdity of the centum-satem language divide of Indo-European.