Neo-Hellenic pursuit in Moldova!

[Onur]

You know, there is a small Turkish speaking orthodox christian Gagauz community(about 40-50.000) in Greece but they were undergone Hellenic assimilation machine in 20th century and now most of them regards themselves as an ancient Hellenic tribe like others in Greece.

The thing is, there is an autonomous Gagauz state in Moldova with ~200.000 people and they asked from Turkey to help them after USSR collapsed. Turkey built roads, libraries, schools there and sent teachers for education in their mothertongue because they were getting education only in Russian language in communism era and they didn't wanna get education in Moldovan language after communism was over but they wanted it in their Turkish mothertongue.

Turkey is not alone there tough. For few years, several Greek NGOs and government offices targeted these people in Moldova and Greek government sending about 250.000 Euro(by using EU funds according to kathimerini) to Gagauzia every year to create Hellenic consciousness in there by giving money to them and opening Greek language courses for free. They are using their own neo-Hellene gagauzes from Greece to manipulate people in there.

An article about this in Kathimerini newspaper in Greece.
Google translation;

Another Greek-Turkish(inter) battle
The Gagauz living in southern Moldova in an area of 1800 square km. Approximately 140,000 people speak Turkish, but Orthodox Christians.

In 2007 a seminar on the management of development aid given to countries from Greek YPEX, some of the bystanders were amazed seeing how high on the priorities of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs was Moldova. H aid to Balkan and other countries appeared less understandable and explainable, but not the case in Moldova. "But for the Gagauz," was the response of officials YPEX.

Here a few years, Turks and Greeks are competing over who will promote the language in Komrat (the largest city in Gagauzia). The neighbors have financed the operation of private schools and scholarships, while we (and several YPEX MKO) have succeeded (in the same way) to join some Greek as official language (!), Department of the University of Gagauz, and also hosted Every summer young Gagauz in Greek camp programs.

O historian Lambros Mpaltsiotis unpublished research in its pursuit of the causes of the recent Greek-Turkish conflict in the far very poor soils of Moldova and Ukraine (where there are about another 30,000 Gagauz).

"Apart from the numerous groups of Turkish-speaking Orthodox Christians of Asia Minor, there was an eastern Balkans, the Gagauz. From the site of today's Bulgaria, a large part moved to the then Tsarist Moldova and a smaller one in eastern Thrace. Turkish-speaking Nisides also found in Modern Zichnis Serres and Rodopi. O people of Eastern Thrace by the exchange of populations was as orthodox, part of the room Milliyet in Greece. Installation of mainly in Evros. The Greeks Gagauz still retain their linguistic difference. "

The Gagauz are then 'Turks' to Turkey because of the language and "Greek" to Greece because of religion.

After 1990, it was easy for the first Greeks from Gagauz Orestiada visit to Gagauzia. Then, things became more organized, more imiepisima less innocent. Up to 2006 found that there KEDKE delegation to oversee the development assistance of € 250,000 in university and health infrastructure. The program was co-finance and YPEX (also Greek) Ministry of Public Administration! And the opposite is also notable for Gagauzia Turkish lines. And the statements "Turkishness" through education and scholarships.

http://news.kathimerini.gr/4dcgi/_w_articles_columns_1_01/11/2009_335582

We see same analogy in the newspaper article as the Greek forum members here; "The Gagauz are then 'Turks' to Turkey because of the language and "Greek" to Greece because of religion."

As we know, according to Greek policy, every orthodox in the world is Greek regardless of their ethnic origin or language!!! Strangely, this policy is still valid in 2011!!!



Look at their propaganda posters in Gagauzia;




It seems that they have altered original Gagauzia coat of arms and drew Greek flag color stripes on it!!! Funny thing is there are still Turkish sentence on it as "Gagauz yeri" meaning "the land of Gagauz".



They managed to assimilate about ~400.000 Turkish christians in the past and now they target the Gagauz people in Moldova by using EU funds. It looks like they wont stop `till they convert every Turkish christian in the world as neo-Greeks!!!

I wonder what`s their aim in Moldova? Create some kind of Greek minority there?

[Voltron]

Kind of like your policy with the Pomaks ? Trying to turn Bulgarians into Turks using the musilm minority status in Thrace ? Sound familiar ?

[Voltron]

http://www.protothema.gr/economy/article/?aid=103468

Ziraat bank handing money to anybody that declares themselves Turks in Thrace. Nice touch, now thats a new approach

[Onur]

Kind of like your policy with the Pomaks ? Trying to turn Bulgarians into Turks using the musilm minority status in Thrace ? Sound familiar ?

Thats what LAOS party says. Ofc it`s lie. Some Pomaks in Turkey lives here for more than a century but they still speak their own language and continue to live in their own culture. So, is this means while we leave Pomaks free in Turkey but we try to convert the ones in Greece? Thats B.S!!!

Read the messages in this thread;

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5086

Ziraat bank handing money to anybody that declares themselves Turks in Thrace. Nice touch, now thats a new approach

Thats what Greek fascists claims. Do you aware that your filthy fascists complains about a tiny single branch of a Turkish bank, while National Bank of Greece(NBG) owns a giant banking company here, operating in all over Turkey with ~500 branches???

I`ve read similar stuff today from a western Thrace Turkish website. There is a small branch of a Turkish bank in Gumulcine(Komotini), western Thrace. It`s just a small branch but some Greeks keeps stoning it`s windows from time to time and it`s opening day was like a circus last year with journalists, tv cameras, protestations and some huge bearded priest was saying that western Thrace became a part of Turkey again!!!

Anyway, Greeks now says that this branch of a Turkish bank gave loans to ~300 Greek business man and they will seize their property if they cant pay back because of economical crisis. They call Greek government to close this branch of Turkish bank!!!


Rest of the news in Greek;

http://www.birlikgazetesi.info/?pid=3&id_news=2303

P.S: Btw, National Bank of Greece purchased a banking company here few years ago and they nearly have 500 branches in Turkey but no one even cares about that and people still uses this bank. Greek authorities was saying that their banking operations in Turkey saved them from a bad situation of economic crisis in Greece.

Now, go ahead. Keep complaining about that tiny branch in Gumulcine where Turks lives as majority for centuries. Please go there and throw a molotov cocktails if you can, burn the place down. Then i would be glad to be the leader of the campaign for Turkish people to stop doing business with Greek owned Finansbank of Turkey. I once read in the news that NBG saved his own ass from Greek economic crisis because of their huge profit in Turkey. I`d be laugh my ass off and will have big grin on my face if you guys force the closure of that tiny branch of the Turkish bank in Greece.

In August 2006, Finansbank sold 46% of its shares to the National Bank of Greece (NBG), the largest bank of Greece.

Finansbank in Numbers
Finansbank's profits before taxes and remittance funds in 2010 have been achieved as 973 million TL and gross profit has been achieved as 682 million TL. Additionally, net profit has reached 560 million TL in the third quarter of 2010.

http://www.finansbank.com.tr/en/abou...boutfinansbank

Hmm, Greek state owned bank gets a net profit of more than 500 million dollars(973 million TL) from Turkey.

Please go burn, sabotage that tiny office in Greece. Give us a reason to start a campaign and let us bankrupt that bank and remove the Greek filth from our motherland.

You Greeks will bring your own doom with your hateful mindset and only then you will realize what you have done and still doing today.

[Voltron]

The problem is using ethnic criteria when handing out loans, not the branch itself. Its called discrimination and its a big no no in the banking sector.

[Voltron]

Pomaks are Thracian Slavs aka Bulgarians. Turkification policies against them are well known.

[Dejan]

Pomaks are Thracian Slavs aka Bulgarians. Turkification policies against them are well known.

I don't believe you are fit to talk about discrimination and policies...

[Onur]

George Nakratzas`s book named "Close racial kinship between the Greeks, Bulgarians and Turks" relates Gagauz identity in a good summary and with quotes from old sources;










P.S: Nakratzas doesn't mention here but there is something about their name. He writes that the first Gagauz despotate in Varna founded by the leadership of Seljuk sultan named Izzedin Kaikavuz. Actually the surname of the sultan is latinized here. His surname is "Gok-oghuz". "Gok" means sky and "oghuz" is the name of the Turkish tribe who migrated in to Anatolia(Seljuks and Ottomans). "Gokoghuz" becomes Gagauz in 800 years of time and these people still called with the Seljuk sultan`s surname(or title) from 13th century.

[Ottoman]

Pomaks are Thracian Slavs aka Bulgarians. Turkification policies against them are well known.

Dude please, you know the history of the Bulgarians right? who were the Bulgars????

Those people were already Turkic, no need for any Turkification.

[Voltron]

Bulgarian arent Bulgars Ottoman. They only took their name. They are mostly Slavised Thracians with a small Bulgar component. And we dont know if they were Turkic. Thats the mainstream theory, I personally think they were Iranic with Turkic influence and loanwords.

[Ottoman]

No they were Turkic with Iranian elements, there are many scholars who agree on this, although the origins of Bulgars are still a debate these days.

[Orfej]

Kind of like your policy with the Pomaks ? Trying to turn Bulgarians into Turks using the musilm minority status in Thrace ? Sound familiar ?

Voltron, let me guess! The Gagauz are an ancient Greek tribe that under the Ottoman Empire was forced to speak Turkish, but still retained their ``Greek religion`` and always regarded themselves as ``Hellenes``?
You know, it actually might work. All you need is to find one guy from the Gagauz’s that identified as a Greek in the past (whether he used the term to describe his religion or ethnicity doesn’t matter or under the tutorship of the Greek state propaganda) and suddenly you could claim that all the Gagauz’s felt as Greeks. Add some quotes from a contemporary author who will try to compare the cultures of the two people and amazingly will find many similarities that both populations share with the ancient Greeks and you can use that to prove your common ancestry and culture.
As a final ``argument`` you can say that they can’t be Turks, because it was not allowed for Turks to convert to Christianity. Of course the argument is a fallacy, the Gagauz may have already lived in the Balkans prior to the Ottoman conquest and that would explain their Orthodox/Byzantine religion.