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  • Bratot
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    • Sep 2008
    • 2855

    Helios = St. Elias

    Helios the Sun God:



    Archaelogical findings of Troy. The symbol of the Macedonian royal lineage is identical to the aura of Helios - the Sun God.



    St. Elias / Sv. Ilija on his Sun Chariot:






    The PIE element -*el- in the root originally was a suffix

    Sol "the sun," c.1450, from L. sol "the sun," from PIE *s(e)wol-, from base *saewel- "to shine, the sun" (cf. Skt. suryah, Avestan hvar "sun, light, heavens;" Gk. helios; Lith. saule; O.C.S. slunice; Goth. sauil, O.E. sol "sun," swegl "sky, heavens, the sun;" Welsh haul, O.Cornish heuul, Breton heol "sun;" O.Ir. suil "eye"). The PIE element -*el- in the root originally was a suffix and had an alternate form -*en-, yielding *s(u)wen-, source of Eng. sun (q.v.).


    Wikipedia:

    Helios:
    Helios was imagined as a handsome god crowned with the shining aureole of the sun, who drove the chariot of the sun across the sky each day to earth-circling Oceanus and through the world-ocean returned to the East at night, before Apollo was made god.

    St. Elias:
    According to the Books of Kings, Elijah raised the dead, brought fire down from the sky, and ascended into heaven on a whirlwind.

    Suddenly, a chariot of fire and horses of fire appear and Elijah is lifted up to heaven in a whirlwind.

    Helios 5 century B.C.:




    St. Elias in early-Christian basilica:


    II Kings 2:11-12 "And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
    Last edited by Bratot; 08-01-2010, 05:24 PM.
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  • Bratot
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    • Sep 2008
    • 2855

    #2


    " For this nation of the Macedonians, before the coming of Christ, was renowned, and celebrated everywhere more than the Romans. And the Romans were admired on this account, that they took them captive. For the actions of the Macedonian king exceeded all report, who, setting out from a little city indeed, yet subdued the world. … So high minded was he and high-souled, and celebrated everywhere. And with the fame of the king the glory of the nation also kept pace. For he was called 'Alexander, the Macedonian'. So that what took place there was also naturally much talked of. For nothing can be concealed that relates to the illustrious. The Macedonians then were not inferior to the Romans."



    " For as the kingdoms before this were destroyed, for example, that of the Medes by the Babylonians, that of the Babylonians, by the Persians, that of the Persians by the Macedonians, that of the Macedonians by the Romans. ..."


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    • Bratot
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      • Sep 2008
      • 2855

      #3
      Ancient coin of Philip II Macedonian:



      We can notice the very simillar if not same iconography lineage.

      The St. Elias day today for us is the Christian substitute for what previously was glorified by Philip of Macedon.


      What actually means the most important day in our modern history, the day of St. Elias or Sveti Ilinden?





      Illyndens:

      August 2, 338 BC - Victory over the Greeks in Chaeronea.
      August 2, 1903 - Krusevo Republic.
      August 2, 1945 - ASNOM.
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      • Bratot
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        • Sep 2008
        • 2855

        #4
        ʾĒl (written aleph-lamed, i.e. אל, ����, ���� etc.) is the Northwest Semitic word for "deity", cognate to Akkadian ilum.

        In the Canaanite religion, or Levantine religion as a whole, Eli or Il was the supreme god,[2] the father of humankind and all creatures and the husband of the goddess Asherah as recorded in the tablets of Ugarit.[2]

        The word El was found at the top of a list of gods as the Ancient of gods or the Father of all gods, in the ruins of the Royal Library of the Ebla civilization, in the archaeological site of Tell Mardikh in Syria dated to 2300 BC. He may have been a desert god at some point, as the myths say that he had two wives and built a sanctuary with them and his new children in the desert. El had fathered many gods, but most important were Hadad, Yam, and Mot.


        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(deity)


        El = Illy = Elias = Ili-ja = Sun God


        El - Elle - Illy is the most old ancient name of/for the GOD.

        Comparison with Hebrew:

        Ili - ja = Me the God

        Eli-yahu = My God is Yah



        11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, which parted them both assunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
        יב וֶאֱלִישָׁע רֹאֶה, וְהוּא מְצַעֵק אָבִי אָבִי רֶכֶב יִשְׂרָאֵל וּפָרָשָׁיו, וְלֹא רָאָהוּ, עוֹד; וַיַּחֲזֵק, בִּבְגָדָיו, וַיִּקְרָעֵם, לִשְׁנַיִם קְרָעִים. 12 And Elisha saw it, and he cried: 'My father, my father, the chariots of Israel and the horsemen thereof!' And he saw him
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        • TrueMacedonian
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2009
          • 3812

          #5
          Nice work in comparisons of the Sun Bratot. One of the few things from antiquity (meaning the pagan era) that has carried through into modern times. We both know of the Macedonian Sun found in churches, religious paintings, and so on. Not disputing this at all.
          Slayer Of The Modern "greek" Myth!!!

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          • Bratot
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 2855

            #6
            Did John Write Eleleu-ih (el-e-lu-ee) Mighty God Lives
            or
            Alleluia, ...Praise the Egyptian moon god Yah
            In Revelation 19



            Note: you will discover that "allhlouia h" may have been an attempt to pronounce "eleleu-ih."
            Observe: alleluia--pronunced al - lay - loo - ee - ah (Strongs #239): hence allh-louia--allh is from ele; louia is from leu; and ia is a corruption of ih. Scholars have manipulated the true Greek word "eleleu-ih" into "alleluia" as a pronunciation. They did the same manipulative perversion on "sabachthanai" in Mat 27:46 and Mark 15:34! Then in perversion step #2 they take "alleluia" and make it into Hallelujah! Thus they have John hearing people in heaven speaking Aramaic and not Greek which he originally wrote down. Why would our Bible translators purposely pervert the ancient Word of God and replace "eleleu-ih" with "alleluia"? The word alleluia is not in the original writings of Revelation 19:1-6.

            What does eleleu ih, eleleu ie mean?

            "Eleleu!" is a cry of encouragement (from elelizo ele-lizo, meaning God or a god from ele (elohim) and "lizo" who lives (one who lives or is living); or anciently in Paleo-Hebrew MIGHTY GOD who lives. It is a rally cry like saying of Jesus "MIGHTY GOD, ...HE LIVES." So among the Greeks: to say "el-el-euih" to Apollo or some other god was to shout to one another that the god was mighty and lived, was alive! What did this multitude shout about Jesus whom John saw in heaven? Looking at Jesus on the throne: they shouted "eleleu (God lives, or our God is alive): salvation (soteria), and glory (doxa) , and honour (time), and power (dunamis), unto the Lord (Kurios) our God (theos)."

            John heard: eleleu-ie; soteria, doxa, time, dunamis, Kurios theos.

            HE IS MIGHTY GOD, HE IS ALIVE!






            Something interesting explanation, isn't?
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            • Dimko-piperkata
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2008
              • 1876

              #7
              the macedonian god of the sun is named IL

              Last edited by Dimko-piperkata; 08-02-2010, 02:08 PM.
              1) Macedonians belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum...
              2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranenan substratum...

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              • Serdarot
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                • Feb 2010
                • 605

                #8
                Ili-ad
                Ili-on
                Ili-nden

                "Kume", super sho si ja otvoril temava, mislev deka vekje e postirano ova tuka, a nesuper sho te nema na skype
                Bratot:
                Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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                • fyrOM
                  Banned
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 2180

                  #9
                  Looks very Chariots of the Gods.

                  St. Elias:
                  According to the Books of Kings, Elijah raised the dead, brought fire down from the sky, and ascended into heaven on a whirlwind.

                  Suddenly, a chariot of fire and horses of fire appear and Elijah is lifted up to heaven in a whirlwind.

                  DimkoPiperkata has a point. Could it be IL become Ilija and he rides his sun chariot.

                  Just goes to show how far Macedonians stretch back in time.

                  Bratot I think you have just proven the point.

                  ʾĒl (written aleph-lamed, i.e. אל, 𐤀𐤋, 𐎛𐎍 etc.) is the Northwest Semitic word for "deity", cognate to Akkadian ilum.

                  El = Illy = Elias = Ili-ja = Sun God

                  El - Elle - Illy is the most old ancient name of/for the GOD.

                  Comparison with Hebrew:

                  Ili - ja = Me the God

                  Eli-yahu = My God is Yah

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                  • fyrOM
                    Banned
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 2180

                    #10
                    Just a wild stab. Could a Greek hearing IL i jas loose its meaning and become just a name altogether as it Gk. Helios
                    ie hel I os
                    Ili I jas

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                    • Bratot
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 2855

                      #11
                      Ilinden could be Elenden or Helenden as well Helenday.

                      That's why we can be rightfully called ex. Ilindenci - Ilini, Elini, Heleni.

                      It's about the same etymology.
                      The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

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                      • Serdarot
                        Member
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 605

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Bratot View Post
                        Ilinden could be Elenden or Helenden as well Helenday.

                        That's why we can be rightfully called ex. Ilindenci - Ilini, Elini, Heleni.

                        It's about the same etymology.
                        i guess more than 50 % of those who have red this post doesn“t understand what you wanted to say

                        ne slucajno go napisav ona Kume...

                        same "godfather" gave the names of Ilion, Iliad and Ilinden.

                        and it was surely not a greek, the godfather.
                        Bratot:
                        Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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                        • Homer MakeDonski
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                          • Jan 2010
                          • 103

                          #13
                          Could you please give me your opinion over the question

                          If IL ~The Sun God ,
                          then how the Sun God worshipers had been named ?

                          There are some references that Hellenes used to mean pagan

                          Hellene is used in a religious meaning for the first time in the New Testament. In the Gospel of Mark 7:26, a woman arrives before Jesus kneeling before him: "The woman was a Hellene, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter."[28] Since the nationality or ethnicity of the woman was Syrophenician, "Greek" (translated as such into the English of the King James Version, but as haižno "heathen" in Ulfilas' Gothic; Wycliffe and Coverdale likewise have heathen) must therefore signify her religion. The development towards a purely religious meaning was slow and completed at approximately the 2nd or 3rd century AD. Athenian statesman Aristeides picked out the Hellenes as one of the representative pagan peoples of the world along with the Egyptans and the Chaldaeans.[29] Later, Clement of Alexandria reports an unknown Christian writer who named all of the above Hellenes and spoke of two old nations and one new: the Christian nation.[30]
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                          28-New Testament, "Gospel of Mark", 7, 26
                          29-Aristides, "Apology"
                          30-Clement of Alexandria, "Miscellanies", 6, 5, 41

                          net_source
                          Last edited by Homer MakeDonski; 08-04-2010, 12:22 PM.

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                          • Serdarot
                            Member
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 605

                            #14
                            Iliri... Ilini...


                            @Homer:

                            i am alergic on that bs megali stupidos gayrekos site... even the Pelazgi are now greeks

                            bljak
                            Bratot:
                            Никој не е вечен, а каузава не е нова само е адаптирана на новите услови и ќе се пренесува и понатаму.

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                            • Homer MakeDonski
                              Member
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 103

                              #15
                              It is o.k. been allergic to theirs cites
                              Nothing else, but their way of interpretation only ,is what has left to them...trying to connect theirs lies one with another

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