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![]() I agree SoM that there is no need to fear the "S" word or any other words like Thracian or Illyrian or Roman etc. These words are common in Balkan history and in order to work out their meaning, you need to use them. Greece has plenty of "Slavs" in its history, so any examination of the so called "Slav" thesis, does not help them one bit. There is no question of essentialising here, it is merely an effort to discover the meaning of words used at various points in the past. That is a very important part of what history is about.
TM, you started an interesting discussion here and its good to see that most people have reacted maturely. The discussion has opened up numerous interesting and mostly unanswered questions, so it might now be time to just go back to pursuing all the issues that have emerged from this topic, under individual headings in the history section of MTO. Last edited by iskra; 07-27-2010 at 02:18 AM. |
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![]() Yes, some posters have indeed answered your questions by posting facts and theories that have been presented and discussed on this and various other internet forums in the past. Unfortunately, your predisposition seems such that you are unlikely to digest that material any better this time around than you have upon previous opportunities. You seem to be crippled by a stubborn committment to a vague anti-theory for which you have hardly provided anything that can be considered direct evidence, and in relation to which you have persistently evaded basic questions and logical criticisms.
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I think it produce more negative effect than possitive, I wouldn't like to see some 'supremacism' claims from my people.
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![]() Bratot, I would also be against any such views that support 'extremist' theories regarding racial purity. Even if we calculate it over 2,500 years (on a generous average of 25 years per person before the next is born) it is still a 100 generations. The possibility of being 'pure blooded' in the sense that there are only Macedonian ancestors in one's history is slim, different however, is the probability of many Macedonians having mostly (instead of only) Macedonian ancestors. It is a discussion that would be extremely interesting if we can get past the 'perceptions' and move on to constructive progress on the matter.
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![]() I'm glad we are on same frequency.
It is logically to expect most of our genetical matherial to be the native, but lets not get into debate of % fit a requirement as a condition if someone may or may not be admitted to identify himself as "indigenous" Macedonian equally enough because of some absurdal gene proportions that need to be fulfilled for that purpose. Don't get absorbed in the Greek chauvinistic idiocity and from potential 'proving' who is the more rightful 'genetical' descedant of the Macedonians, if SoM is only half eligible or TM is 2/3 and I'M 10% eligible Macedonian in order to identify ourself as all equally Macedonians.
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![]() SoM said;
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the Sklavini who were brought before the Roman Emperor. Quote:
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This account was written in 1849. Ovid makes mention of a "Thracian Lyre" which is supposedly introduced by Orpheus. Now the question is how far spread was music and musical instruments during antiquity? Could it be that the Sklavini tribe may have been playing these Illyro/Thracian music prior to their so-called 'migration'? And how long has this sort of music existed in Macedonia? Is there anyway for us to determine what exactly was carried from antiquity to today regarding this sub-topic?
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![]() Your evasive comebacks keep getting better.
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![]() I didn't know I was evading you or trying to make a 'comeback'. Chill out Aleksandrov. I'm not trying to mess with you. Let's just leave it as is.
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![]() For me, your questioning of the existence of an indigenous Macedonian ethnicity is just as serious as any Greek/Grkoman, Bulgarian/Bulgaroman, Serb/Serboman or "Slav" questioning the existence of an autochthonous Macedonian ethnicity prior to WWII. I see no substantive difference. And you have provided no better basis for your position than they do.
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