Macedonians Documented - 20th Century

**Daskalot** · 06-20-2009, 03:26 PM

nice rundown SoM and thank you

**TrueMacedonian** · 06-20-2009, 03:41 PM

Nice compilation SoM and thank you. Daskalot has by far been the definitive researcher finding all of these gems. And alot of people that read this forum are making numerous youtube videos thanking this forum and using its material

There's much more to discover.

**Daskalot** · 06-20-2009, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by TrueMacedonian View Post

Nice compilation SoM and thank you. Daskalot has by far been the definitive researcher finding all of these gems. And alot of people that read this forum are making numerous youtube videos thanking this forum and using its material

There's much more to discover.

Amen to that, the one who searches will find the Truth!

**The LION will ROAR** · 08-09-2009, 10:23 PM

18th Century Russian Documents on Macedonians

http://www.gate.net/~mango/18thC_Russian_Docs.htm

1. Application to the Russian Emperor of Serbian, Macedonian, Bulgarian and Vlach settlers in Vojvodina for emmigration to Russia.

2. Edict of the Russian Empress Elisabeth allowing Bulgarians, Macedonians, Vlachs and other nations to settle in Russia.

3. December 24, 1751 Edict by the Russian Senate permittimg the settling of Bulgarians, Macedonians, Serbians and Vlachs.

4. Part of a Russian royal edict of January 11, 1752 granting the formation of brigades from the "orthodox Serbian, Macedonian, Bulgarian and Vlach peoples..."

**Pelister** · 11-11-2009, 10:46 PM

SoM, it was a good idea to organize/archive this stuff in this way.

**Soldier of Macedon** · 11-15-2009, 04:31 AM

Here is another collection of quotes from the late 19th and early-mid 20th centuries, taken from a previous thread.

False Impressions of Macedonia: 19th-20th Centuries - Macedonian Truth Forum

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum/showthread.php?t=550

Many travelers, journalists and politicians foreign to Macedonia were misinformed by the various mouthpieces of propaganda operating from the 19th century onwards, and much unreliable data exists from this period about the Macedonian people. Were it not for the high amount of propaganda emanating from the neighboring states

Karl Hron (Austrian, publicist, 1890): It may be shown, from their history as well as from their language, that the Macedonians are neither Serbs nor Bulgarians, but rather a separate ethnic group….

Georgi Bakalov (Bulgarian, 1890): In the villages of Macedonia, one meets peasants of a single nationality speaking a Slavic language and belonging to the Eastern Orthodox faith. Nine out of ten of these people, despite their being the subject of dispute between three adjoining countries, would reply in response to the question as go their nationality, that they were Macedonian.

Paul Argyriades (French, socialst, 1896): The Macedonians do not want the kind of caresses which may strangle them. They want to remain Macedonians without any other epithet, guarding for themselves their beautiful Macedonia…………

William Gladstone (British, prime minister, 1897): Why not Macedonia for the Macedonians, as well as Bulgaria for the Bulgarians and is Servia for the Servians?

Regina Wyon (British, traveler-writer, 1903): We were a cosmopolitan gathering. There was Dr. S., a Roumanian, an Austrian ornithologist, a Scotchman, our innkeeper was a Macedonian, and two or three Montenegrins……… Macedonians, Greeks, and even pure-blooded Turks……….

Pavlos Melas (Greek, soldier, 1904): Kotas (Konstantin Hristov) speaks Macedonian………..

Spiros Melas (Greek, soldier, 1913): Occasionally, all of a sudden a village woman would step out and start swearing in her own difficult Macedonian language, then, our soldiers would surround her and offering her money would demand bread, wine, brandy or oil.

Rene Picard (French, 1916): There is and, in fact, there has always been a Macedonian spirit in Macedonia.

R.A Reiss (French, 1918): It is a fact that the Macedonian language is spoken neither in Sofia nor in Belgrade. It is an individual Slav language…………

Sister Augustine Bewicke (British, st paul’s hospital, salonika, 1919): The Greeks will not admit the Slav language in Churches or schools; the inhabitants of Macedonia are in the great majority Slavs; they call themselves Macedonians, and what they desire and what we ardently desire for them is an autonomy under European control…….

Antoine Meillet (French, linguist, 1928): Their dialects, differing among themselves, are not truly Serbian nor truly Bulgarian, especially if one is thinking of written Bulgarian, which is based on dialects quite far removed from the Macedonian dialects…..In reality these dialects do not properly belong to either the one or the other of the two groups under dispute………..

Henri Barbusse (French, writer, 1930): The Macedonians, who have their own separate language and indisputable ethnic originality…..

Penelope Delta (Greek, writer, 1937): Their language was the same, Macedonian, also a blend of Slav and Greek, mixed with Turkish words. As in the Byzantine era, the populations were so mixed that it was difficult to tell apart a Greek from a Bulgarian - the two dominant races. Their only national consciousness was the Macedonian one.

H.D Harrison (British, writer, 1938): The majority were Slav by origin, possibly belonging to a separate race akin to both Serbs and Bulgars but identical to neither ………..So intense was this propaganda that the three sons of one man, who had each been to a different school, actually claimed each a different nationality – one Serb, one Bulgar and one Greek – while the father himself claimed to be “Macedonian”………. ……………. There was a strong element in Macedonia which wanted autonomy for that province. They considered that they were neither Serbs nor Bulgars, but an independent Slav race with different traits from either of those two peoples, their own language, literature, and traditions.

Andre Vaillant (French, slavicist, 1938): The concept of "Macedonian Slavic" is confusing only for those who want it to be. Macedonian Slavic is to such an extent a reality that there existed in the nineteenth century a Macedonian literary language, the language of a quite limited scholarly literature but of a voluminous popular literature..........

Georgi Canev (Bulgarian, literary historian, 1946): Today the fatherland of the Miladinov brothers is a free and equal member of Tito's Federal Yugoslavia. The Macedonian nation is in confident control of its own fate, speaks and studies in the Macedonian language, is building up its own culture. It has already all the social, political and cultural conditions which Goce Delcev, Jane Sandanski, Dimo Hadz'i Di mov and many other sons of Macedonia dreamed of and fought for……………

**Bill77** · 12-19-2009, 03:38 AM

There was one passenger on the Titanic who was Macedonian. He hapened to be distant relation of mine. I finaly tracked him down from the passenger list of the titanic.

Mr Dmitri Marinko
Titanic Victims � 3rd Class Passengers

Mr Marinko Demetri [1], 23, from Makedonia, (Austria-Hungary [2]) boarded the Titanic at Southampton as a third class passenger (ticket number 349238, �7 17s 11d). His destination is unknown.

Demetri died in the sinking. His body, if recovered, was never identified.

Notes
1. His name is sometimes listed as "Dmitri Marinko".
2. "Marriages Births and Deaths ..." lists him as a Macedonian from Austria, the Southampton passenger list lists him as being from Turkey.

References
Contract Ticket List, White Star Line 1912 (National Archives, New York; NRAN-21-SDNYCIVCAS-55[279])
Marriages, births, deaths and injuries that have occurred on board during the voyage (PRO London, BT 100/259-260)
Names and Descriptions of Alien Passengers Embarked at the Port of Southampton, 10 April 1912 (PRO London, BT 27/780B).

The discription regarding his death is not quite acurate though. He was initialy found alive though barely floating in the water. He past away days later in hospital from severe hypothermia and was identified.

**Bill77** · 03-08-2010, 03:35 AM

Just some more articals mentioning Macedonians.

**osiris** · 03-08-2010, 04:12 AM

Their language was the same, Macedonian, also a blend of Slav and Greek, mixed with Turkish words.

i am hard pressed finding more than a handful of greek words in macedonian, what is this woman talking about.

**Pelister** · 03-08-2010, 09:38 PM

Important topic and thread SoM. It would be great if we could add more Greeks to the list. There are countless diaries and letters from Greek soldiers "touring" in Macedonia.

**osiris** · 03-08-2010, 10:44 PM

yes great work som and this should be expanded to include all the quotes throughout history about macedonians.

**TrueMacedonian** · 03-08-2010, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by Pelister View Post

Important topic and thread SoM. It would be great if we could add more Greeks to the list. There are countless diaries and letters from Greek soldiers "touring" in Macedonia.

YouTube - Greek documents confirm Macedonian ethnic identity

The link above has some good finds that most of us know about. One in particular is what the 'greek' linguist, Kostadinos Tsioulka, wrote in 1907 in his book about the Bi-lingualism of the Macedonians.

This link offers some info most of us know about - http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...ead.php?t=2876

More to definitely come.

**Pelister** · 03-12-2010, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by Bill77 View Post

Just some more articals mentioning Macedonians.

When was the second article written? Is it also NY times?

**Bill77** · 03-12-2010, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by Pelister View Post

When was the second article written? Is it also NY times?

Not sure Pelister, but i will chase it up.

In the mean time, here's some more.

BODIES OF MACEDONIANS AND BULGARIANS NEAR MONASTIR (A CLEAR DISTINCTION)

MANY BALKAN EXILES LIVING IN ITALY ESPECIALY GREEKS, MACEDONIANS, BULGARIANS. (AGAIN CLEAR DISTINCTION)

Macedonians Documented - 20th Century

Macedonians Documented - 20th Century

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