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Old 10-21-2017, 09:18 AM   #21
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Below is taken from a Macedonian language page of Wikipedia. It is a speech that was made by Prlichev at the Exarchate school in Solun, on the occasion of the 1000 year anniversary of the death of Saint Methodius, brother of Saint Cyril.



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13.↑ Отиди кај: 13,0 13,1 13,2 13,3 13,4 13,5 13,6 13,7 Д-р Блаже Ристовски, Кон проучувањето на солунските години на Прличев, Животот и делото на Григор Прличев, Зборник на трудови, Гоце Делчев, Скопје, 1986.
14.Следно ↑ Архив МАНУ, фонд Г.С. Прличев, арх. ед. 68.
15.Следно ↑ К. Г. Пърличев, Къмъ характеристиката на Гр. С. Пърличев (по спомени, сведения и документи) Македонски прегледъ, IV, 2, София, 1928, 116 - 118.
16.Следно ↑ Гане Тодоровски, Македонската книжевност во 19 век, стр. 158. 1990 Скопје

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Can someone provide more information on the 'Shopi'. Wikipedia paints them in a similar way to the Gorani.
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"I repeat, that teachers are not obliged to preach. They came not for anything else but to teach your children to become good citizens and to raise their homeland, this beautiful Macedonia, this warm and gracious Macedonia, this prolific Macedonia, which gave the saints Cyril and Methodius. Are you not sure, gentlemen, that our Macedonia today is the lowest of all countries in the world? Is not there a great disgrace for the Macedonians, who at one time through Alexander the Great subjugated the whole world, who afterwards through the saints Cyril and Methodius baptized millions of Slavs and enlightened them, today we should be the lowest of the whole world in enlightenment ... Mother Macedonia is very weak. After giving birth to the great Alexander, after giving birth to the saints Cyril and Methodius, Mother Macedonia lies on her bed, terribly exhausted, perfectly brought up Mother who gave birth to a great son, can she give birth to another? That's why the great men are so rare in the world. For over fifty years, enlightened states can barely produce a great man."



As far as I know Shopi are a regional population sub-group/sub-ethnicity whose existence and identity appears to predate the creation of modern nations in the Balkans. Today, they are claimed by Bulgarians, Serbs and Macedonians - since their region "Shopluk" is divided among these three states.

According to Serbian historian of Romanian/Vlach extraction Slavoljub Gacovic (he considers himself Romanian), the ethnogenesis of Shopi comes from Slavic, Turkic (Uzis, Pechenegs, Cumans) and Vlach elements / mixture. You can read here, on page 40 - last page of the pdf - his Summary in English:
http://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com/...9_230_2008.pdf


As a couple of interesting examples/citations (these can be found on wikipedia) - Sofia, the capital of Bulgaria, is well within the "Shopluk" region. Here are the quotes.

1) Robert Lee Wolff (1974). The Balkans in our time. Harvard University Press. p. 40. "The inhabitants of one group of villages near Sofia, the so-called Shopi, were popularly supposed to be descendants of the Pechenegs."

2) Edmund O. Stillman (1967). The Balkans. Time Inc. p. 13. "internally by distinctions of dialect and religion, so that the Orthodox Shopi, peasants dwelling in the hills surrounding Bulgaria's capital of Sofia, are alleged to be descendants of the Pecheneg Turks who invaded the Balkans in the 10th ..."

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shopi

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"I repeat, that teachers are not obliged to preach. They came not for anything else but to teach your children to become good citizens and to raise their homeland, this beautiful Macedonia, this warm and gracious Macedonia, this prolific Macedonia, which gave the saints Cyril and Methodius. Are you not sure, gentlemen, that our Macedonia today is the lowest of all countries in the world? Is not there a great disgrace for the Macedonians, who at one time through Alexander the Great subjugated the whole world, who afterwards through the saints Cyril and Methodius baptized millions of Slavs and enlightened them, today we should be the lowest of the whole world in enlightenment ... Mother Macedonia is very weak. After giving birth to the great Alexander, after giving birth to the saints Cyril and Methodius, Mother Macedonia lies on her bed, terribly exhausted, perfectly brought up Mother who gave birth to a great son, can she give birth to another? That's why the great men are so rare in the world. For over fifty years, enlightened states can barely produce a great man."



As far as I know Shopi are a regional population sub-group/sub-ethnicity whose existence and identity appears to predate the creation of modern nations in the Balkans. Today, they are claimed by Bulgarians, Serbs and Macedonians - since their region "Shopluk" is divided among these three states.

According to Serbian historian of Romanian/Vlach extraction Slavoljub Gacovic (he considers himself Romanian), the ethnogenesis of Shopi comes from Slavic, Turkic (Uzis, Pechenegs, Cumans) and Vlach elements / mixture. You can read here, on page 40 - last page of the pdf - his Summary in English:
http://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com/...9_230_2008.pdf


As a couple of interesting examples/citations (these can be found on wikipedia) - Sofia, the capital of Bulgaria, is well within the "Shopluk" region. Here are the quotes.

1) Robert Lee Wolff (1974). The Balkans in our time. Harvard University Press. p. 40. "The inhabitants of one group of villages near Sofia, the so-called Shopi, were popularly supposed to be descendants of the Pechenegs."

2) Edmund O. Stillman (1967). The Balkans. Time Inc. p. 13. "internally by distinctions of dialect and religion, so that the Orthodox Shopi, peasants dwelling in the hills surrounding Bulgaria's capital of Sofia, are alleged to be descendants of the Pecheneg Turks who invaded the Balkans in the 10th ..."

URL:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shopi
Thanks for providing all that.
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Grigor's son Kiril comes off as a raging Bugaroman unfortunately
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