Greek logic

[toothpaste]

Originally Posted by Pelister

Makedonin is dead right.

Even Kalleris's study of "ancient Macedonian" words is weak and full of flaws.

Kalleris uses words that were in use in Macedonia, in very late antiquity, which is a very small window to be looking through.

So ...since they were used in late antiquity,u think that's the reason they were Greek ?

[makedonin]

Originally Posted by toothpaste

In fact Hesychius main object was to present rear,unusual words and phrases of Greek.

Thats the stupidiest thing that I have ever read.

Hesychius have Italic Roman Persian Hindi Sanskrit Phoencian Assyrian etc. words.

He was collecting words from Peoples that he found interesting.









Please do feel free to enlighten me of this rare Greek dialects, I am very interested in them.
If you consider the Persians Romans Italians etc. Greek, than be my guest

[toothpaste]

Do you know who are these ΜΑΓΝΗΤΕΣ ?

[makedonin]

Originally Posted by toothpaste

Do you know who are these ΜΑΓΝΗΤΕΣ ?

Do you Know who this LYΔOI and PERΣAI are???

Proto Greek speakers may be???

please do explain it.

As for the ΜΑΓΝΗΤΕΣ it is irrelevant for me now, but we can find out if we search ancient sources... Hesychius seem to know and noticed them, it is all that is relevant for the topic.

[toothpaste]

Originally Posted by makedonin

Do you Know who this LYΔOI and PERΣAI are???

Proto Greek speakers may be???

please do explain it.

As for the ΜΑΓΝΗΤΕΣ it is irrelevant for me now, but we can find out if we search ancient sources... Hesychius seem to know and noticed them, it is all that is relevant for the topic.

Some of the "persian" words... κήπος(=garden),μηλοφόροι(=apple bearers),ξένοι(=foreigners),αθάνατοι(=immortals), etc etc

hm...

As for Magnetes
(i ll help u giving a point..they were living in Pelion mountain..central Greece.)

[makedonin]

Originally Posted by toothpaste

Some of the "persian" words... κήπος(=garden),μηλοφόροι(=apple bearers),ξένοι(=foreigners),αθάνατοι(=immortals), etc etc

hm...

As for Magnetes
(i ll help u giving a point..they were living in Pelion mountain..central Greece.)

I dont care about the Megnetes, they might have been what ever but not greek, as for the Persian words you pick pointed, I will give you a tip too:

"And my justification is this. Even in the ancient poets and historians, those who wrote the purest Greek, one may find Persian words adopted because of there common use in the spoken language, such as " parasangs", "astands" and " angari " and "schoenos", musculine or feminine; this last is a measure of distance still so called among many people.I know too, of many Attic writers who use idioms of the Macedonians as a result of intercourse with them.”( Athenaeus .. Deipnosophistae, III. 121-122)

so don't be so sure about those persian words you label so easy as Greek to be genuine Greek

[toothpaste]

Originally Posted by makedonin

I dont care about the Megnetes, they might have been what ever but not greek, as for the Persian words you pick pointed, I will give you a tip too:

so don't be so sure about those persian words you label so easy as Greek to be genuine Greek

The words I wrote are actually Greek ,while those noted are already written by Hesychius (αγγάροι,παρασάγγας etc) in the above text are of persian origin.

More or less you come in what i said. Hesychius writes abt peculiar words that were used in Greek.
Some of them were rare Greek words ,or regional idioms (like Laecedemonian,Attic,Macedonian,Magnetan) some were loans.

[Delodephius]

I would say that those Greek Macedonian words are in fact words used by Macedonians who spoke Greek as a second language and so added and mixed from their native language. The way Latin was treated in the Middle Ages. It makes sense.

[makedonin]

"I know too, of many Attic writers who use idioms of the Macedonians as a result of intercourse with them.”( Athenaeus .. Deipnosophistae, III. 121-122)

Tootpasete, repeating Greek Greek Greek won't make anything greek.

[toothpaste]

"I know too, of many Attic writers who use idioms of the Macedonians as a result of intercourse with them.”( Athenaeus .. Deipnosophistae, III. 121-122)

Is an IDIOM a foreign word or phrase..??

Also..
are you aware of the comedy "Makedones" of the Athenian Comedian Strattis?
Only 2 verses of it survived..but they are really interesting.

So in that two guys are talking,the Athenian with the Macedonian..

-Η σφύραινα δ’ έστι τις;
-Κέστραν μεν ύμμες ωττικοί κικλήσκετε

(Athenian)-What is "sphyraina" then?
(Macedonian)-It is what you,Attics call "kestra".

So,obviously these two communicate in the same language,and the big city guy from Athens,is making fun of the lad redneck from Macedonia,since the only difference they have is one name.
A name of a fish!
kestra=sphyraina=grouper



But even for this..whats the etymology of this word..?
(In Greek )sphyra=hammer ,-aina=female ending (like lyk-os(wolf) lyk-aina (female wolf)

The most surprising though is that the name that survived and is still used in greek today ,for the same fish is the macedonian one and not the attic.

Sphyraina or Sphyrida (σφύραινα / σφυρίδα ) ..still swims in the Greek waters.