Slovo -Jesus epithet

[Karposh]

No, unfortunately I don't. I usually know better than to state something without backing it up with a reference but I couldn't resist. That's going to be my homework for the Easter long weekend - To find that quote.

[Amphipolis]

Originally Posted by Karposh

No, unfortunately I don't. I usually know better than to state something without backing it up with a reference but I couldn't resist. That's going to be my homework for the Easter long weekend - To find that quote.

It sounds like Risto Stefov to me, not necessarily meaning that he invented it, but maybe you have to see his sources.

[Goce Homer MakeDonski]

Thank you Karposh

Originally Posted by Karposh

However, I think the simplest explanation is very often the correct one.

That's probably always at live we are living .One simple ,one common one whatever is everyday under our noses thing providing the answer we are looking at .

[Goce Homer MakeDonski]

Originally Posted by Karposh

So, in its more literal sense, “Sloveni” simply means “people who speak the same words”.

The way I look at it, most of the Balkan Peninsular back then spoke Macedonian but not all considered themselves as such so the word “Sloveni” was coined.



Sloveni
• From a linguistic point of view, Sloveni simply means “people who speak our words” or “people who speak the same words”
• From a religious point of view, Sloveni could just as well mean “people of the Word” or “people who have accepted the Word”. The “Word” or “Slovo”, of course, being the teachings of the gospel i.e. Followers of the Word, personified by Jesus.

From religious angle of view observing we could have different explanations for everything written over this Slavs means people theory.

If we reread Pannonian Legends for one more time :


"Then Emperor Michael said to Constantine the Philosopher: “Can you hear, philosopher, what they are saying? No one else can do it but you. Lo and behold, here are ample gifts, take your brother, Abbot Methodius, and go. Since you are from Thessaloniki and all the Thessaloniki people can speak pure Slavonic.”...1

And if we read word "Slavonic" as Slavyanskoga what actually could be guessed original .
That word can be read as Slovya either with added - suffixes sko ga either can be read out of end word adds as
Slovya . And if it is so we read that same sentence now have got its different meaning .
Thessaloniki people can speak pure Slavonic.”...
Salonika people are speaking pure about Jesus or
"All of the Salonika already been accepted the word Slovo and are fully Slavicised i.e. are in Christianity "
On this way analysed, we are reading an answer why Slavs people appearing in Salonika even as the "theory of invasion" strictly claiming that " Salonika never failed" .

Once more to make clear .
Slavs people living at Salonika at that time are not invaders from outside but are native and are Slovo follow citizens

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1. Pannonian Legends ,The Life of Methodius
Link

Pannonian Legends

[Goce Homer MakeDonski]

At that way observed we could succeed in dealing with these process of becoming prominent and could say that their is no difference between these two explanations

Sloveni
• From a linguistic point of view, Sloveni simply means “people who speak our words” or “people who speak the same words”
• From a religious point of view, Sloveni could just as well mean “people of the Word” or “people who have accepted the Word”. The “Word” or “Slovo”, of course, being the teachings of the gospel i.e. Followers of the Word, personified by Jesus.
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Simply because Sloveni are "people who speak the same words and those words are religious and about Jesus and are about Slovo to whom they belong .

[Goce Homer MakeDonski]

Lets try to reach another simple explanation .
The one over letter K from S L V K derivations or word chelovek

We asks if S L V could stand for Slovo ,what for letter K could standing for?

The answer could be that it is about of servitude ор the liege or letter K does described relationship between a Slovo as superior and a man as vassal.

Slovo + K as Slovok* -Slov + ya + k singlulare and Slov + ya + ki or Slovyaki* plural what by the time and according to historically transcription schools differences from one to another Churches and Monasteries we could possibly have emerge of k->n suffix shift .
Thus will say that we have move from Slovo - Slovak to Slovo- Slovya
Slovo + ya + n as singular and Slovo+ya + ni as plural
Chronologically , we could have meanings description from God /man relation up to individuals affiliation to group

[Goce Homer MakeDonski]

"Slavjani
• From “Slava”, meaning Glory and Fame. So, Slavjani are glorious and famous people. And what other people is there in this world that is more glorious, more famous and more celebrated than the famous Ancient Macedonians, who conquered the whole world with an army of 30,000 fellow countrymen (not including the other Balkan contingents)..."

If we focused at spreading of Christianity only we could find out some
strange stuff.

Lets say that symbol of Cross was not recognized as Christian symbol at all.More of it " the cross as a symbol was condemned by at least one church father of the 3rd century CE because of its Pagan origins..." and " The first appearance of a cross in Christian art is on a Vatican sarcophagus from the mid-5th Century".2

What do we have at those times?
We have situation that because it was not the Cross as Christian symbol ,and were not existing words associated and described Christianity .


At our Macedonian language supposed situation could be look like:
No Cross symbol , no words in use as krstenje or baptizing, no words as se krsti pokrstuva krscteva,krstevka ...nothing from all of that range of words having a word Cross as its base.
Than from the other side we do have spreading of Christianity around.
Under what words or phrases individuals were converted to Christianity then ?
At the present we state that phrase in use is :
“Се крштева чедо Божје во името на Св.Тројство...’’
"And it does baptizes child of God in the name of Holy Trinity .."
And individual accepted the slavya of Slovo because he begun to be converted at it

And it is so because we have the Cross symbol for all of the Christians worldwide .
But back at the early times of Christianity and back at Macedonian spaces what do we have ? What pattern or model was in use ?
We could guess that could be like:

"And it does introduces at the Glory and Power of Slovo , child of God in the name of..."


And converted become a Slovo follower or liege
And liege become Slovo follower
and Slovo followers become a individuals to group followers ..


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Source :
2- B.G. Walker, "The Woman's Encyclopaedia of Myths and Secrets", Harper & Row, San Francisco CA (1983),page ...313-314

link :
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_symb.htm

[Karposh]

Originally Posted by Amphipolis

It sounds like Risto Stefov to me, not necessarily meaning that he invented it, but maybe you have to see his sources.

Thanks for bailing me out of that one Amphipolis. It was a comment I read a very long time ago before I got into the habit of recording points of interest for the sake of referencing at a future date. I'm pretty sure it wasn't on-line. This was before the internet, when library books were still your best source of information. In my earlier post on this thread, I connected the comment with the theory that Ancient Macedonians fled the invading Romans, fearing retribution from them (perhaps one of Stefov's claims). But the quote about there always having been a mutual understanding/cooperation between the ancient Macedonians and the peoples of the north, if I can correct myself now, I think was a stand alone comment that the author made.
I won't give up on finding that quote though. I'll go back to the old-school way of researching - back to my local public library and scouring the whole place if I have to.

[Amphipolis]

Originally Posted by Karposh

Thanks for bailing me out of that one Amphipolis. It was a comment I read a very long time ago before I got into the habit of recording points of interest for the sake of referencing at a future date. I'm pretty sure it wasn't on-line. This was before the internet, when library books were still your best source of information. In my earlier post on this thread, I connected the comment with the theory that Ancient Macedonians fled the invading Romans, fearing retribution from them (perhaps one of Stefov's claims). But the quote about there always having been a mutual understanding/cooperation between the ancient Macedonians and the peoples of the north, if I can correct myself now, I think was a stand alone comment that the author made.
I won't give up on finding that quote though. I'll go back to the old-school way of researching - back to my local public library and scouring the whole place if I have to.

See page 149 and around it (though you won't find sources)
http://www.pollitecon.com/html/ebook...ian-People.pdf

[Karposh]

Thanks Amphipolis, much appreciated. However, I'm more concerned with the comment I read regarding the Ancient Macedonian's relations with the peoples of the north (mutual understanding/cooperation), which I'm determined to track down, rather than the events surrounding the Roman invasion of Macedonia. This was an off-the-cuff remark by this author, which took me by surprise at the time, and I apologise for going on about it without sourcing the actual book but I'll keep you posted when I do eventually find it.