Macedonian Inscriptions

[Amphipolis]

Originally Posted by George S.

You don't really believe we are going to beleive your greek findings.Especially when your greek govt had tried to tamper with their history.By rewriting history with greek writings.

That was my point. Through the above links you can find the findings that do not involve Greece or the Greek government, institutions, archaeologists.

For instance if you go to the area Ovce Polje (which I think is the area of Veles-Stip-Skopje??) there are about 40 inscriptions. All come from the archaeological journals Spomenik published in Serbia/Yugoslavia of the 1930s-1940s.

[George S.]

Think about how it all revolves in what can be promoted as propaganda nothing new in the divided parts of Macedonia.Why isn't there so called Slavic writings in Greece when there is ample words in ancient Macedonian on rom side.Who is hiding what,?

[Amphipolis]

After a superficial search about Slavic inscriptions in Greece I couldn't find anything. Such writings have to be expected AFTER 1000 AD (I'm not sure of which type) so this is not exactly archaeology, but Middle Ages History. I don't think the above website includes such writings.

Actually, while searching for the oldest Slaving inscriptions I found something that may be interesting. Until the time of Cyril and Methodius Bulgaria was using Greek as official written language. In this example Greek is used with wrong spelling, the content is also interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatalar_Inscription
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omurtag's_Tarnovo_Inscription

[George S.]

Well Amphipolis after the 1913 occupation by the greeks they changed or obliterated most if not all Macedonian toponyms and orher inscriptions.For example they changed toponym names without consultation with the local population.Names thousands of years old were changed.headstones were changed from so called Slavic to greek.In effect obliterating all traces of Macedonian inscriptions.Also the call out to buy from rom residents archaeological finds.Example a Macedonian helmet from a soldier found on rom territory was asked for 1 million marks lucky the people and the govt of rom had the good sense.The greeks would have said they found it on greek land.

[TheNikoWhiteIch]

Originally Posted by George S.

Well Amphipolis after the 1913 occupation by the greeks they changed or obliterated most if not all Macedonian toponyms and orher inscriptions.For example they changed toponym names without consultation with the local population.Names thousands of years old were changed.headstones were changed from so called Slavic to greek.In effect obliterating all traces of Macedonian inscriptions.Also the call out to buy from rom residents archaeological finds.Example a Macedonian helmet from a soldier found on rom territory was asked for 1 million marks lucky the people and the govt of rom had the good sense.The greeks would have said they found it on greek land.

And I suppose before that we had always called Θεσσαλονίκη (Thessaloniki) Солун (Solun)? It's true that in Greece, the Macedonian towns are given Hellenic (or nearly Hellenic) equivalents, but some of these had Greek etymologies to start with that were changed with the arrival of Slavs among other groups. Hence Θεσσαλονίκη instead of Солун. Others, like "Monastiri" versus "Bitola" aren't a big deal since both of these words mean "Monastery." Of course, there are towns in Aegean Macedonia whose original names have no apparent etymology in Greek such as Έδεσσα (Edessa) and Βέργα (Berga), regardless of the origin of their inhabitants. But that's completely irrelevant to this thread. If you're so interested in shedding light on the injustices we suffered at the hands of our neighbors, George, go ahead and start your own thread about it. Now, I really suggest we stick to the topic rather than arguing whether or not inscriptions are Greek or not. There's no need to fill this thread with pointless arguments about it. This is strictly dedicated to gathering information about inscriptions from the region of Macedonia.

[TheNikoWhiteIch]

Originally Posted by George S.

Your being silly now.Just as much material is available from the rom as the greeks.The finds in Macedonia show the ancient Macedonian language words as I said the sun god il and also the zets.The prehistoric alphabetand other Macedonian alphabets.
Don't limit yourself with the greek finds.Dont assume there is nothing from our side because there is a lot.

Ah yeah, the gods "Ile" and "Zets". Remind me again what this "Macedonian" alphabet was? The one wherein variations of the Greek letter Θθ (Theta) are interpreted as the letter Οο (O/Omega)? Or, and this is my favorite, where the Greek letter Ϝϝ (Digamma) is read as "Шш (Sh)"? Yeah, I guess we should all just listen to what Ilyov says because it totally makes sense to interpret inscriptions that are 4000+ years old using the modern Macedonian language.

[George S.]

We are talking of prehistoric alphabets going into many thousands of years prior to yhe greeks arriving on the greek peninsula.Remember how the greek alphabet was adopted from the phonecian one about 800 BC.Where as the prehistoric ancient Macedonian alphabet was prehistoric.

[TheNikoWhiteIch]

Looking at the glossary of Macedonian words in epigraphy over at StateMaster.com I see an inscription that says "Bila Brateadou" and the notes attached to it say: Attic Phile, Doric Phila Prateadou or Phrateadou (Aigai ca. 350-300 BC). If Phrateadou comes from "Phrater/Phratir" then perhaps the Macedonian word really was "Brater". What do you guys make of this?

[Amphipolis]

Originally Posted by TheNikoWhiteIch

Looking at the glossary of Macedonian words in epigraphy over at StateMaster.com I see an inscription that says "Bila Brateadou" and the notes attached to it say: Attic Phile, Doric Phila Prateadou or Phrateadou (Aigai ca. 350-300 BC). If Phrateadou comes from "Phrater/Phratir" then perhaps the Macedonian word really was "Brater". What do you guys make of this?

I couldn't find a picture of this inscription but according to this link (in Greek)

http://ancdialects.greeklanguage.gr/propernames/vilarra

it must be a hard-to-read one. Hatzopoulos reads it as Billa Bratea (ΒΙΛΛΑΒΡΑΤΕΑ) or Billa Brateadou (ΒΙΛΛΑΒΡΑΤΕΑΔΟΥ) but Saatsoglou-Paliadeli reads it as Billara Tellou (ΒΙΛΛΑΡΑΤΕΛΛΟΥ). In both cases it sounds as a name.

You see in inscriptions, letters are capital, there are no spaces between words and a hardly seen Α,Λ,Δ is very similar.

[TheNikoWhiteIch]

Originally Posted by Amphipolis

I couldn't find a picture of this inscription but according to this link (in Greek)

http://ancdialects.greeklanguage.gr/propernames/vilarra

it must be a hard-to-read one. Hatzopoulos reads it as Billa Bratea (ΒΙΛΛΑΒΡΑΤΕΑ) or Billa Brateadou (ΒΙΛΛΑΒΡΑΤΕΑΔΟΥ) but Saatsoglou-Paliadeli reads it as Billara Tellou (ΒΙΛΛΑΡΑΤΕΛΛΟΥ). In both cases it sounds as a name.

You see in inscriptions, letters are capital, there are no spaces between words and a hardly seen Α,Λ,Δ is very similar.

Assuming that it's "Billa Brateadou", would the origin be linked to "brater"? Or does Phrateadou come from some other word?