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I just finished reading the original (not Google translated) article of Vlado's biography and it is very tendentious and imbalanced. First of all,his assassinations of Dimo Hadzidimov and Naum Tomalevski and all of his dirty work in the name of Vanco Mihailov's pro-bulgarian VMRO weren't mentioned at all. Secondly,it depicts the Ustashe and VMRO as "brotherly" revolutionary organizations,which is both historically and ideologically inaccurate.The Ustashe were nazis that despised anything non-Croatian,like their death camp Jasenovac proved so (victims were Serbs,Jews,Roma even Croats that disagreed with them).Unlike VMRO which is today still glorified by every Macedonian,the Ustashe in Croatia are today (rightfully) labeled as fascists and only diehard nationalists celebrate them,something like nazis are viewed in modern-day Germany. And last but not the least,Vlado is shown to have worked for a "United Macedonia".Maybe so,but for who?Just as a reminder:Vanco Mihailov had a plan to create a United Macedonia with BULGARIAN consciousness with the help of nazi Germany,something like a southern equivalent of Pavelic's NDH.The plan had the blessing from Hitler,but the coupe d'etat which saw communists take the power in Bulgaria from the fascist regime ended any plan to materialize a fascist,bulgarian Macedonia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indepen...e_of_Macedonia And Vlado was Vanco's right hand man,ergo he supported his pro-bulgarian view. So how can such a person be glorified by the Macedonians?it's beyond me.
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![]() I always thought that that was Mihailov's personal opinion, an independent Macedonia but with a bulgarian background, like albania and kosovo. But i never thought that that was mainstream IMRO ideology even at that time. Vlado Crnozemski might have been used or fooled into doing it, but i always thought of him as a Macedonian patriot.
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Mihailov only really starting showing Nazi Sympathies when the Nazi's invaded, there wasnt really any long term support or links with the Nazi's from Mihailov. I personally think Mihailov started out as a proud macedonian, but later turned pro bulgar when he lived there for a while. In saying that though, you cant say all of VMRO were nazi's or bugaroman because of Mihailov. You cant really call Vlado a "nazi" because he died before the nazi's had any real power outside germnay and before the nazis made contact with Mihailov I view Vlado as a real macedonian hero. When he was doing his thing for VMRO vardar macedonia was in much more horrible position then even agean macedonia in terms of human rights abuse, murders and even development. Unfortunately a lot of macedonians forget a lot of the bad things the serbs did to macedonians in that period - but you cant really blame them because Tito brainwashed them all to think that the yugoslavs were their real brothers and the aegeans were the enemy. Its too bad a lot of people from the republic of macedonia view Vlado as a Nazi, bit of trivia for you all. Your precious Tito and the partisians moonlighted with the nazi's for a while and even accepted money and arms from them. Even your precious and special serb friends the Chetniks were working with the Nazis for a time. But of course, we will never hear about that in mainstream yugoslav-macedonian history ![]() I hope Vlado will forever be remembered as a macedonian hero, and as one of the only beacons of hope during a oppressive time under "Juzna Serbia'. But i hear in ROM they worship albanian Nazi's and claim Jane Sandanski is a bulgarian slav - so im not holding my breath. |
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![]() Here is something further about Crnozemski that may also point to his Macedonian origin. One of the pseudonyms he used was 'Petar Keleman'. Given the uniqueness of this name it is highly probably that his inspiration was the earlier Macedonian revolutionary Spiro Kilimanov / Kelemanov. Spiro was from Štip, and in later years he too performed so-called "terrorist" acts for the organisation in Solun. In one of the song versions about the assassination of Aleksandar Karageorgevic it refers to Crnozemski as 'Štipjanceto'. An interesting coincidence.
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![]() ![]() I've always heard Macedonians refer to Vlado Crnozemski as Vlado Stpijanceto, even in a version of the song "Za Kralot Aleksandar" he is referred to just that. Bulgarians have always claimed that he was born in Kamenitsa, which is pretty much just outside the Pirin Macedonian borders. I've come across something that Stoyan Christowe who met Crnozemski in person and in his book "Heroes and Assassins", he claims Crnozemski was born in a village called Patrik (near Shtip) which was burnt down during the second Balkan war. He and his wife left as refugees and settled in Bulgaria.
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So it's not as simple as saying: "Vancho's followers = pro-Bulgars." It's much deeper than that. VMRO: Heroes and Assassins also points to Vlado's moral/personal attributes: "He was a silent, moody person, always keeping to himself, his nose perpetually buried in a book. He neither drank, smoked, nor ate meat. Incredible as it may seem, he once said that he would not eat meat because it was cruel to kill animals." Pg. 218 |
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I'm aware of Christowe's points on Crnozemski's moral compass regarding animals but had no regrets or hesitation when he assasinated people that he believed were traitors or enemies of Macedonia. I have an interesting book that i came across about a two years ago, it is based on the Yugoslavian investigator who was appointed to investigate the murder of Aleksandar Karageorgevic. In the book he refers to Crnozemski as "Vlado Makedonski" and even asserts that this is what he was known as.
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![]() That's a good find!
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![]() If i have time, i'll post the pages up tonight.
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![]() Here are some pages from the book "A KING DIES IN MARSEILLES".
Vlado Crnozemski is referred to as Vlado Makedonski. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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