Macedonia is the Mother of all Macedonians, 1856!

Daskalot · 01-05-2009, 05:35 PM

I found something interesting that supports our claim that the name of Macedonia is the name of our Mother land.

Title page.

Page 1276.

Source: A comparative grammar of the Sanskrit, Zend, Greek, Latin, Lithuanian, Gothic, German, and Sclavonic languages: By Professor F. Bopp. Translated from the German by Edward B. Eastwick, Second edition, 1856, page 1276.

What are your opinion on this fellow members?

Bratot · 01-05-2009, 06:28 PM

Thats totally matching the cult of "Great Mother" ( MAGNA MATER ) - or MA, and latelly discovered sculpture of the Goddess:

In Macedonia the Great Mother (Magna Mater or Ge Meter in the later Greek-Roman Pan-theon) was the most worshipped cult in the Neolithic. The earliest depiction dates from the period of 6500-3500 BC.

http://www.musmk.org.mk/en/services/product.php?Id=61

MAKEDONIA - MOTHERLAND

П.С. Ти симнувам капа Даскале! Секоја ти чест и неизмерна благодарност.

Daskalot · 01-05-2009, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bratot

thats totally matching the cult of "great mother" ( magna mater ) - or ma, and latelly discovered sculpture of the goddess:

In macedonia the great mother (magna mater or ge meter in the later greek-roman pan-theon) was the most worshipped cult in the neolithic. The earliest depiction dates from the period of 6500-3500 bc.

http://www.musmk.org.mk/en/services/product.php?id=61

makedonia - motherland

П.С. Ти симнувам капа Даскале! Секоја ти чест и неизмерна благодарност.

ништо батка, вистината треба да се знаје!

Soldier of Macedon · 01-06-2009, 06:32 AM

It is an interesting perspective and a very good find given that it can now be demonstrated that such views were held and recorded as far back as the mid 19th century.

I am not sure about the exact pronounciation, but check the Sanskrit numbers from one to ten, and the Macedonian, Greek, Latin and Germanic numbers next to them successively. Of course, being all from the Indo-European family of languages similarities are bound to be there, but I think that Macedonian (and therefore also the Slavic languages) has retained an important closeness to this ancient language.

Sanskrit - Macedonian - Greek - Latin - German

éka - eden - ena - unus - eins
dva - dva - dio - duo - zwei
tri - tri - tria - tres - drei
catúr - chetiri - tesera - quattuor - vier
páñcan - pet - pende - quīnque - fünf
sás - shes - exi - sex - sechs
saptán - sedum - efta - septem - sieben
astá - osum - ohto - octō - acht
návan - devet - enea - novem - neun
dáśan - deset - deka - decem - zehn

Delodephius · 01-06-2009, 07:25 AM

In Slavic (meaning Macedonian as well) "six" is "šest" not "šes". The ending "-t" is important in Slavic languages, and in this case it exists because it also maintains a rhyme with "pet".

The rhyme is (in OCS):

три-четъіри (tri-četyri)
пѧть-шєсть (pętǐ-šestǐ)*
сєдмь-осмь (sedmǐ-osmǐ)
дєвѧть-дєсѧть (devętǐ-desętǐ)

*It is hypothesised that once "šestǏ" was used to form a rhyme with "pěstǐ"=fist, or that number five was once called "pěstǐ" and was later replaced by "pętǐ".

Soldier of Macedon · 01-06-2009, 07:41 AM

You know, I wrote 'shest' the first time as I knew it is the common and 'proper' way of saying it, but as I was using Macedonian as the language of comparison I then changed it to 'shes' because that is how I would say it in my dialect. For example, for 'six times' I would say 'shes pati', as 'shest pati' doesn't quite blend in the vernacular.

Delodephius · 01-06-2009, 09:20 AM

Neither does in mine, but it is merely because of sandhi - the accommodation of neighbouring sounds. You would say "šest" if it was isolated.

cultea · 07-26-2011, 12:05 AM

Daskalot, Bratot,
I'm afraid you're misreading the text of post#1. It doesn't say that Macedonia means Motherland. It just says that the Greek -ia suffix means (in our case) Country of Macedonians, or Motherland of Macedonians, since Macedonia is a feminine word. For instance:
Serb, Serb-ia
Macedon/Μακεδών, Macedon-ia
Roman, Roman-ia
Romania/Ρωμανία was one of the names of East Rome, i.e. the Eastern Roman Empire. Not to be confused with the present-day Balkan country that is spelled slightly differently (Ρουμανία), but the idea is the same: Country of Romans, Motherland of Romans.

vojnik · 07-26-2011, 12:14 AM

There is a theory about the name MAKEDONIJA which some believe to mean the Mother Land due to "MAKE" being similar to the modern Macedonian "MAJKA" or "MAJKE" which is mother and the word "DON" which is similar to modern Macedonian "DOM" meaning home

In other words the MOTHERS HOME OR MOTHERLAND

Soldier of Macedon · 07-26-2011, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cultea

It doesn't say that Macedonia means Motherland. It just says that the Greek -ia suffix means (in our case) Country of Macedonians, or Motherland of Macedonians, since Macedonia is a feminine word.

Actually, you're correct. No big deal though, the -ia suffix also represents feminine forms in other Balkan languages, it is related to Sanskrit and ultimately derived from PIE.

01-05-2009, 06:28 PM	#2
Bratot Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,855	Thats totally matching the cult of "Great Mother" ( MAGNA MATER ) - or MA, and latelly discovered sculpture of the Goddess: In Macedonia the Great Mother (Magna Mater or Ge Meter in the later Greek-Roman Pan-theon) was the most worshipped cult in the Neolithic. The earliest depiction dates from the period of 6500-3500 BC. http://www.musmk.org.mk/en/services/product.php?Id=61 MAKEDONIA - MOTHERLAND П.С. Ти симнувам капа Даскале! Секоја ти чест и неизмерна благодарност. __________________ The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

01-06-2009, 06:32 AM	#4
Soldier of Macedon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,660	It is an interesting perspective and a very good find given that it can now be demonstrated that such views were held and recorded as far back as the mid 19th century. I am not sure about the exact pronounciation, but check the Sanskrit numbers from one to ten, and the Macedonian, Greek, Latin and Germanic numbers next to them successively. Of course, being all from the Indo-European family of languages similarities are bound to be there, but I think that Macedonian (and therefore also the Slavic languages) has retained an important closeness to this ancient language. Sanskrit - Macedonian - Greek - Latin - German éka - eden - ena - unus - eins dva - dva - dio - duo - zwei tri - tri - tria - tres - drei catúr - chetiri - tesera - quattuor - vier páñcan - pet - pende - quīnque - fünf sás - shes - exi - sex - sechs saptán - sedum - efta - septem - sieben astá - osum - ohto - octō - acht návan - devet - enea - novem - neun dáśan - deset - deka - decem - zehn __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

01-06-2009, 07:25 AM	#5
Delodephius Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Petrovecz Baciensis, Res Publica Iazygia Posts: 736	In Slavic (meaning Macedonian as well) "six" is "šest" not "šes". The ending "-t" is important in Slavic languages, and in this case it exists because it also maintains a rhyme with "pet". The rhyme is (in OCS): три-четъіри (tri-četyri) пѧть-шєсть (pętǐ-šestǐ)* сєдмь-осмь (sedmǐ-osmǐ) дєвѧть-дєсѧть (devętǐ-desętǐ) It is hypothesised that once "šestǏ" was used to form a rhyme with "pěstǐ"=fist, or that number five was once called "pěstǐ" and was later replaced by "pętǐ". __________________ अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्। उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥ This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count. But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family. Last edited by Delodephius; 01-06-2009 at 07:35 AM.*

01-06-2009, 07:41 AM	#6
Soldier of Macedon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,660	You know, I wrote 'shest' the first time as I knew it is the common and 'proper' way of saying it, but as I was using Macedonian as the language of comparison I then changed it to 'shes' because that is how I would say it in my dialect. For example, for 'six times' I would say 'shes pati', as 'shest pati' doesn't quite blend in the vernacular. __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

01-06-2009, 09:20 AM	#7
Delodephius Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Petrovecz Baciensis, Res Publica Iazygia Posts: 736	Neither does in mine, but it is merely because of sandhi - the accommodation of neighbouring sounds. You would say "šest" if it was isolated. __________________ अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्। उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥ This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count. But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

01-05-2009, 05:35 PM	#1
Daskalot Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: In a Library Posts: 4,345	Macedonia is the Mother of all Macedonians, 1856! I found something interesting that supports our claim that the name of Macedonia is the name of our Mother land. Title page. Page 1276. Source: A comparative grammar of the Sanskrit, Zend, Greek, Latin, Lithuanian, Gothic, German, and Sclavonic languages: By Professor F. Bopp. Translated from the German by Edward B. Eastwick, Second edition, 1856, page 1276. What are your opinion on this fellow members? __________________ Macedonian Truth Organisation

07-26-2011, 12:05 AM	#8
cultea Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Macedonia, Greece Posts: 126	Daskalot, Bratot, I'm afraid you're misreading the text of post#1. It doesn't say that Macedonia means Motherland. It just says that the Greek -ia suffix means (in our case) Country of Macedonians, or Motherland of Macedonians, since Macedonia is a feminine word. For instance: Serb, Serb-ia Macedon/Μακεδών, Macedon-ia Roman, Roman-ia Romania/Ρωμανία was one of the names of East Rome, i.e. the Eastern Roman Empire. Not to be confused with the present-day Balkan country that is spelled slightly differently (Ρουμανία), but the idea is the same: Country of Romans, Motherland of Romans. Last edited by cultea; 07-26-2011 at 12:59 AM.

07-26-2011, 12:14 AM	#9
vojnik Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 307	There is a theory about the name MAKEDONIJA which some believe to mean the Mother Land due to "MAKE" being similar to the modern Macedonian "MAJKA" or "MAJKE" which is mother and the word "DON" which is similar to modern Macedonian "DOM" meaning home In other words the MOTHERS HOME OR MOTHERLAND

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