Greek General Demetrios Kallergis on who fought the Turks (1860)

[Pelister]

Originally Posted by Soldier of Macedon

Nobody here has suggested such a thing, that is just a deliberate distortion to suit the argument your trying to reply with. It's rather simplistic and outdated.

There are some cases where terms currently used in the Balkans have meant different things at different times in the past, and that includes the term Albanian. Your automatic assumption about the reference to Macedonians fighting the Turks in Greece in the original source is based on your biased presumption against the Macedonian identity. You previously stated "at that time in Greece the term Macedonians was also used about Aromanians among other groups", yet you've failed to answer two simple questions in relation to that statement:

1 - How many sources are there from pre 1860 Greece in which the Vlachs are referred to as Macedonians?

2 - How did the Vlachs contribute in the fighting during the war which led to the creation of a modern Greek state/entity?

You could probably add:

How many sources are there of 'Greeks' explicitly referring to themselves as Macedonians?

None.

Can anyone identify a community of 'Greeks' anywhere inside Macedonia that also refer to themselves as a collective, by the adjective 'Macedonian'?

It doesn't exist.

[Liberator of Makedonija]

Felt this was the best thread to share this as the Negus Uprising was mentioned.

Once again I have to link the picture due to being unable to upload it directly.

Was wondering if anyone could translate it? This is apparently the revolutionary flag utilised by the rebels during the rising:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._flag_1822.JPG

[Amphipolis]

Originally Posted by Liberator of Makedonija

Was wondering if anyone could translate it? This is apparently the revolutionary flag utilised by the rebels during the rising:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._flag_1822.JPG

With this (sign), you (shall) win (Constantine the Great message)
Fight for faith and country (fatherland)

[Liberator of Makedonija]

Originally Posted by Amphipolis

With this (sign), you (shall) win (Constantine the Great message)
Fight for faith and country (fatherland)

Thank you, is it easily translated?

Would you say it's been reworked into Modern Greek?

[Amphipolis]

Originally Posted by Liberator of Makedonija

Thank you, is it easily translated?

Would you say it's been reworked into Modern Greek?

This is obviously based on Ypsilantis flag that used Phoenix and the first phrase (En Touto Nika) and had the second phrase (Mahou Yper Pisteos Kai patridos) as the title of his proclamation. You can see the original in the link.

The first phrase is from the times of Constantine the Great, it's in Ancient Greek or Hellenistic (Bible) Greek. The second phrase was written/signed by Ypsilantis (according to the link the real author was the liberal intellectual George Typaldos) and is, as the whole speech, in a semi-archaic language of the time.

http://sitalkisking.blogspot.gr/2011/03/blog-post.html

[Liberator of Makedonija]

Originally Posted by Amphipolis

This is obviously based on Ypsilantis flag that used Phoenix and the first phrase (En Touto Nika) and had the second phrase (Mahou Yper Pisteos Kai patridos) as the title of his proclamation. You can see the original in the link.

The first phrase is from the times of Constantine the Great, it's in Ancient Greek or Hellenistic (Bible) Greek. The second phrase was written/signed by Ypsilantis (according to the link the real author was the liberal intellectual George Typaldos) and is, as the whole speech, in a semi-archaic language of the time.

http://sitalkisking.blogspot.gr/2011/03/blog-post.html

Would you believe the banner to have been written in Romaic/Romaika?

[Amphipolis]

Originally Posted by Liberator of Makedonija

Would you believe the banner to have been written in Romaic/Romaika?

What else?

[Liberator of Makedonija]

Originally Posted by Amphipolis

What else?

Yeah that's all I really wanted to know in regards to it, thanks.

[TrueMacedonian]

Just an overall great topic. This can shut down so many naysayers as much as they try to deny the obvious.

[VMRO]

Originally Posted by TrueMacedonian

Just an overall great topic. This can shut down so many naysayers as much as they try to deny the obvious.

Welcome back True Macedonian, missed ya buddy.