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Old 12-28-2008, 09:15 PM   #21
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Older IE languages used the case system extensively and had no need for definite articles. They had no need for many other features that are used today.
If we want to discover ancient Macedonian, Illyrian and Thracian we should also keep in mind the existence of cases in these languages. The following eight cases existed in all IE language at one point in the past: Nominative, Genitive, Dative, Accusative, Vocative, Ablative, Locative and Instrumental. In Slavic languages the Ablative merged with Genitive but we don't know was this already the case in around the 3rd ct. BC.
I have 'The Illyrians' by John Wilkes, I will see what kind of toponyms he mentions.
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Old 12-29-2008, 12:56 AM   #22
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demos the word athena is now a de facto greek, but it was borrowed by the hellenes from the pelasgians as were many other now greek words.

what those words may have meant in their original ie native langauge is debatable, because the pelsagians and there culture are yet cu be discovered and known by modern historians. but if there is a conection between many of those borrowed words and macedonian as we speak it today you might want to start revising much of what you have learned about the balkans. sure the words might be simmilar because they belong to the same ie family, but there might also be anothr reason too and thats why we are here trying to debate this issue.
please dont start with the evrything is greek line, because the ancient greeks borrowed much from the other ancient nations which we today dont agknowledge.
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Old 12-29-2008, 01:03 AM   #23
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demos try to explain why the word thallassa (one of those borrowed words because the ancinet hellenes did not have a word for sea), means waves in macedonian. or why a paeonian city established 1000 bc on what is now veles, was called bela zora. which also means something in macedonian. there are too many of these coincidences for it all to be coincidence, hopefully one day it will be explained, but if it doesnt suit modern greeces politics most of you greeks will never accept it, beause it would destroy the basis for all your fascist bullshit.
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demos try to explain why the word thallassa (one of those borrowed words because the ancinet hellenes did not have a word for sea), means waves in macedonian. or why a paeonian city established 1000 bc on what is now veles, was called bela zora. which also means something in macedonian. there are too many of these coincidences for it all to be coincidence, hopefully one day it will be explained, but if it doesnt suit modern greeces politics most of you greeks will never accept it, beause it would destroy the basis for all your fascist bullshit.

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I think you're incorrect about ancient Greeks not having a word for "Sea". Actually the ancient Greek word for Sea is "Θάλαττα". The word eventually evolved into "Θάλασσα" over time just as many Greeks words have since the language exists now for over 3,500 years. For example No in ancient Greek is "Ουχί" and now it is "Όχι".
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Old 12-29-2008, 01:38 AM   #25
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demos try to explain why the word thallassa (one of those borrowed words because the ancinet hellenes did not have a word for sea), means waves in macedonian. or why a paeonian city established 1000 bc on what is now veles, was called bela zora. which also means something in macedonian. there are too many of these coincidences for it all to be coincidence, hopefully one day it will be explained, but if it doesnt suit modern greeces politics most of you greeks will never accept it, beause it would destroy the basis for all your fascist bullshit.
Well technically the borders of the Republic of Macedonia are sitting on what used to be Paeonia. With regard to "Bela Zora", these words have no meaning in Greek whatsoever, so I'm not sure what your point is.
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demos the words bela zora does not mean anythingng in greek, because ist not greek it was thracian. the point is why is a thracian city named using 2 slavic words 1000 years bc, if the slavs only started coming to the balkan as is the accpeted migration theory 700ad

regarding thallassa, you will find it is one of the many words the ancient greeks borrowed from others. it may be something you are not aware of , but its origins are definatley not hellenic, thats not the interesting bit, whats interesting is why it means waves in macedonian and the other slavic languages.
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Demos, Athena does not mean anything in Greek, Corinth does not mean anything in Greek, there are many other words relevant in ancient Greek history that do not have a Greek origin. Tell me, Greek is supposed to be an Indo-European tongue, how many 'Indo-European' words are in it?
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Old 12-29-2008, 04:33 AM   #28
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ancient greece borrowed nearly half of their vocabulary from others, it has came down to us in popular cultural knowledge as greek, but like the gods of greece and its kadmian alphabet much of greek knowledge was borrowed from other nations.

no one would deny the greek contribution to the english language the same aproach should be taken towards the hellenic lanaguage.
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demos the words bela zora does not mean anythingng in greek, because ist not greek it was thracian. the point is why is a thracian city named using 2 slavic words 1000 years bc, if the slavs only started coming to the balkan as is the accpeted migration theory 700ad

regarding thallassa, you will find it is one of the many words the ancient greeks borrowed from others. it may be something you are not aware of , but its origins are definatley not hellenic, thats not the interesting bit, whats interesting is why it means waves in macedonian and the other slavic languages.
VILAZORA,Osiris,logicly you are right,i touth so to,but it is VILAZ=VLEZ=Entrance,and ORA=GORA=Mount,the name is assosiated with position of Veles=Vlez,city is the real entarnce in Pelagonia,probebly that is name assotiation,also it was a Paionnian(Macedonian tribe) establishment,not Tracian.
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Old 12-29-2008, 08:11 AM   #30
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Bylazora couldn't possibly mean "Entrance into a Mountain" because there is no root *gora in the word. Ora does not equal Gora as you so purposely try to make it without any knowledge.
In OCS Bylazora would be Бѣлазора [bæɫɑzɔrɑ].
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