Gods Names used by the Ancient Macedonians - Page 2

Delodephius · 12-28-2008, 04:47 PM

First of all, "starot" is formed from the root *star and the male article -ot. In old Macedonian (9-11th century) it would be "тъ старъ" and would have the meaning "that old (one male)". It was much later (perhaps around the 14-15th century) that the pronoun тъ was in the beginning of being used as an article and added to the end of words as found in modern Macedonian and Bulgarian as -от and -ът respectively.

Demos · 12-28-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Slovak/Anomaly/Tomas

First of all, "starot" is formed from the root *star and the male article -ot. In old Macedonian (9-11th century) it would be "тъ старъ" and would have the meaning "that old (one male)". It was much later (perhaps around the 14-15th century) that the pronoun тъ was in the beginning of being used as an article and added to the end of words as found in modern Macedonian and Bulgarian.

Tomas,

I agree with your analysis. Star is the root generally in Slavic languages to mean "old". However, the connection that the other member of the forum was trying to make between the words Άρωτος and "Starotos" is not correct. The same applies for the other examples he gives.

He's taking ancient Greek adjectives and trying to morph them phonetically in a Slavic language idiom context.

Sarafot · 12-28-2008, 05:02 PM

Slovak how about this,false too?
http://www.unet.com.mk/ancient-maced...omenici3-e.htm

Delodephius · 12-28-2008, 05:05 PM

Vasil Ilyov is an idiot.

Sarafot · 12-28-2008, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Slovak/Anomaly/Tomas

Vasil Ilyov is an idiot.

Why?Becouse he thinks otherway?

Delodephius · 12-28-2008, 05:27 PM

Sarafot, when are your going to realize I don't have a negative opinion about other people because they think differently than me? Is this all you understand? Us and them?

Vasil Ilyov is an idiot because he thinks he is a linguist and propagates his findings that a short look into science of linguistics and archaeology would prove wrong.

Soldier of Macedon · 12-28-2008, 05:30 PM

I wouldn't go so far as to call Vasil Ilyov an 'idiot', but our friend Slovak is a little more critical when it comes to such matters

With regard to the word 'Staroto', Donski attempts to draw a similarity with the word 'Arotos' which is cited by Hesychius as a word representing 'Heracles' in the Ancient Macedonian tongue. Whether it is or isn't connected is a separate issue to the fact that this word is clearly attested as being used in place of 'Heracles' in 5th/6th century Macedonia.

Given that the definite article was not yet developed in the written Slavonic tongues until centuries later, Slovak's assertion seems to be correct.

Slovak, despite the lack of words in Illyrian, Thracian and Ancient Macedonian, can it be determined if any of them had a feature similar to the definite article, or examples of the various cases they may have used?

Delodephius · 12-28-2008, 05:42 PM

Older IE languages used the case system extensively and had no need for definite articles. They had no need for many other features that are used today.
If we want to discover ancient Macedonian, Illyrian and Thracian we should also keep in mind the existence of cases in these languages. The following eight cases existed in all IE language at one point in the past: Nominative, Genitive, Dative, Accusative, Vocative, Ablative, Locative and Instrumental. In Slavic languages the Ablative merged with Genitive but we don't know was this already the case in around the 3rd ct. BC.

Sarafot · 12-28-2008, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slovak/Anomaly/Tomas

Older IE languages used the case system extensively and had no need for definite articles. They had no need for many other features that are used today.
If we want to discover ancient Macedonian, Illyrian and Thracian we should also keep in mind the existence of cases in these languages. The following eight cases existed in all IE language at one point in the past: Nominative, Genitive, Dative, Accusative, Vocative, Ablative, Locative and Instrumental. In Slavic languages the Ablative merged with Genitive but we don't know was this already the case in around the 3rd ct. BC.

Jezus,Slovak man, what are you doctor of Slavistics?My respect,but i think that some time you forgot on logic and common sence,oh and please dont ''dont like'' me again?

Delodephius · 12-28-2008, 05:55 PM

... and then my Translatology professor calls me uneducated and ignorant.

12-28-2008, 04:47 PM	#11
Delodephius Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Petrovecz Baciensis, Res Publica Iazygia Posts: 736	First of all, "starot" is formed from the root star and the male article -ot. In old Macedonian (9-11th century) it would be "тъ старъ" and would have the meaning "that old (one male)". It was much later (perhaps around the 14-15th century) that the pronoun тъ was in the beginning of being used as an article and added to the end of words as found in modern Macedonian and Bulgarian as -от and -ът respectively. __________________ अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्। उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥ This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count. But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family. Last edited by Delodephius; 12-28-2008 at 04:51 PM.*

12-28-2008, 05:05 PM	#14
Delodephius Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Petrovecz Baciensis, Res Publica Iazygia Posts: 736	Vasil Ilyov is an idiot. __________________ अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्। उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥ This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count. But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

12-28-2008, 05:27 PM	#16
Delodephius Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Petrovecz Baciensis, Res Publica Iazygia Posts: 736	Sarafot, when are your going to realize I don't have a negative opinion about other people because they think differently than me? Is this all you understand? Us and them? Vasil Ilyov is an idiot because he thinks he is a linguist and propagates his findings that a short look into science of linguistics and archaeology would prove wrong. __________________ अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्। उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥ This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count. But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

12-28-2008, 05:30 PM	#17
Soldier of Macedon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Macedonian Outpost Posts: 13,660	I wouldn't go so far as to call Vasil Ilyov an 'idiot', but our friend Slovak is a little more critical when it comes to such matters With regard to the word 'Staroto', Donski attempts to draw a similarity with the word 'Arotos' which is cited by Hesychius as a word representing 'Heracles' in the Ancient Macedonian tongue. Whether it is or isn't connected is a separate issue to the fact that this word is clearly attested as being used in place of 'Heracles' in 5th/6th century Macedonia. Given that the definite article was not yet developed in the written Slavonic tongues until centuries later, Slovak's assertion seems to be correct. Slovak, despite the lack of words in Illyrian, Thracian and Ancient Macedonian, can it be determined if any of them had a feature similar to the definite article, or examples of the various cases they may have used? __________________ In the name of the blood and the sun, the dagger and the gun, Christ protect this soldier, a lion and a Macedonian.

12-28-2008, 05:42 PM	#18
Delodephius Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Petrovecz Baciensis, Res Publica Iazygia Posts: 736	Older IE languages used the case system extensively and had no need for definite articles. They had no need for many other features that are used today. If we want to discover ancient Macedonian, Illyrian and Thracian we should also keep in mind the existence of cases in these languages. The following eight cases existed in all IE language at one point in the past: Nominative, Genitive, Dative, Accusative, Vocative, Ablative, Locative and Instrumental. In Slavic languages the Ablative merged with Genitive but we don't know was this already the case in around the 3rd ct. BC. __________________ अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्। उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥ This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count. But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

12-28-2008, 05:02 PM	#13
Sarafot Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Celje/Виница Posts: 616	Slovak how about this,false too? http://www.unet.com.mk/ancient-maced...omenici3-e.htm

12-28-2008, 05:55 PM	#20
Delodephius Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Petrovecz Baciensis, Res Publica Iazygia Posts: 736	... and then my Translatology professor calls me uneducated and ignorant. __________________ अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम्। उदारमनसानां तु वसुधैव कुटुंबकम्॥ This is mine or (somebody) else’s (is the way) narrow minded people count. But for broad minded people, (whole) earth is (like their) family.

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