Priscus at the court of Attila the Huns

[Ottoman]

Originally Posted by indigen

How about Kemal Attatur's bloodline, do you think it got mixed and to what extent if it did? :-)

You first need to research your family tree and history.

Kemals bloodline is Turkmen, there are even records that his ancestors moved from Central Anatolia to the Balkans and then to Selanik, you just dont need to forget that those places were all Ottoman territory.

I also dont know my own bloodline, maybe Im also from the Balkans who knows, I may have Macedonian blood.

I dont have any problems with the fact that you guys claim Ataturk as Macedonian but if you do so you also have to claim Jennifer Aniston as Greek.

[Onur]

Originally Posted by indigen

How about Kemal Attatur's bloodline, do you think it got mixed and to what extent if it did? :-)

Indigen, I think you ask or imply this same question to me for the 100th time this week and i am gonna answer to you with same respond again; Like i said BEFORE, blood doesn't mean shit to us, we don't fucking care about it. It`s the ideas which connects us to each other.

If you really wonder whats Turkish people`s racial connections, then come here and make a research but first you better tell us all about how much Bulgaro-Tatar, Greek or Turkish blood you have yourself??? OR do you think you are pure breed like pet animals?

Stop pestering me by repeating your idiotic argument about bloodline, will ya? Come up with better ones next time.

[Ottoman]

Hayreddin Barbarossa and Turgut Reis were both of Greek origin but most Greeks dont even know these two because they were Ottoman Turkish sea heroes.

Hayreddin Barbarossa inspired Hollywood that much they created his character in the Pirates of the Caribbeans movie.

Both men were raised as Ottomans and they lived like Ottomans, they also spoke the Ottoman Turkish language.

None of them ever spoke of their Greek background or anything else relating to their "Greekness".

Like I said before, you can count Jennifer Aniston as a Greek too if you really care about bloodline that much.

[indigen]

Originally Posted by Ottoman

Originally Posted by indigen View Post
How about Kemal Attatur's bloodline, do you think it got mixed and to what extent if it did? :-)

You first need to research your family tree and history.

Why and how is that related to the above question I posed to you?

Kemals bloodline is Turkmen, there are even records that his ancestors moved from Central Anatolia to the Balkans and then to Selanik, you just dont need to forget that those places were all Ottoman territory.

So you assume Huns had mixed ancestry (blood) after only 100 years but Kemal Attturk's family remained pure and unmixed after hundreds (you tell us when they first arrived to Macedonia!) of years of living as part of a ruling society which often practised polygamy and took wives from the "Raya" as converts?

I also don't know my own bloodline, maybe Im also from the Balkans who knows, I may have Macedonian blood.

No big issue for me, mate.

I don't have any problems with the fact that you guys claim Ataturk as Macedonian but if you do so you also have to claim Jennifer Aniston as Greek.

I am not one of those making big claims on him but just wanted to point out your double standards as it related to the Huns and your above assumptions.

[indigen]

Originally Posted by Ottoman

Barbarossa and Turgut Reis were both of Greek origin but most Greeks dont even know these two because they were Ottoman Turkish sea heroes.

This is a serious ideological flaw of yours in repeating INVENTED WESTERN political phraseology for there was NO "GREEKS" back then except some refugees in the West who followed in the footsteps of Western Helenophilia and its Renaissance/post-Renaissance era fascination with the "glories of ancient Greece" !

They were raised as Ottomans and they lived like Ottomans, they also spoke the Ottoman Turkish language.

Empires were mostly multi-ethnic in history and this should be no surprise.

None of them ever spoke of their Greek background or anything else relating to their "Greekness".

Maybe because there was NO SUCH CONCEPT back then!? :-)

[indigen]

Originally Posted by Onur

Indigen, I think you ask or imply this same question to me for the 100th time this week and i am gonna answer to you with same respond again;

I surely have not had more than 10 (20 maximum) forum posts in any discussion with you, don't exaggerate in order to make cheap shots against me!

If you really wonder whats Turkish people`s racial connections, then come here and make a research but first you better tell us all about how much Bulgaro-Tatar, Greek or Turkish blood you have yourself??? OR do you think you are pure breed like pet animals?

You are the one who does not accept the existing world views, based on scientific evidence for the origins of Turko-Mongols, and inadvertently tries to undermine our best ideological weaponry against certain anti-Macedonian enemies.

Secondly, nobody claims pure anything so stop your silly ranting on that issue! But whilst there might be tiny bits of Turko-Mongol genetic input, here and there, amongst Macedonians, it is very small and we are PREDOMINANTLY of INDIGENOUS STOCK - INDIGENOUS MACEDONIANS! This can NOT compare to Bulgaria where large numbers of Turko-Mongol peoples, including the Bulgars, settled (and mixed with locals) and established a state nor with Hungarians or Turks, where they retained the language.

Like i said BEFORE, blood doesn't mean shit to us, we don't fucking care about it. It`s the ideas which connects us to each other.

Turkey is NOT Macedonia and you can not appreciate how it feels to be on the verge of being politically exterminated (disfigured) as a people/nation and thus, IMO, you should put yourself in our shoes first before making any future dismissive claims on how and why Macedonians view certain matters, at least whilst your are on MTO or other Macedonian fora.

Stop pestering me by repeating your idiotic argument about bloodline, will ya? Come up with better ones next time.

Since you quote the above post, which was a reply to Ottoman, I wonder who is pestering whom and why and I think it is the case of the pot calling someone else black!

[Ottoman]

Originally Posted by indigen

Why and how is that related to the above question I posed to you?

It isnt related, I said it so you can maybe discover your own bloodline, not every Macedonian is pure you know, like Onur said, we Turks dont care about bloodline, we all consider ourselves as Turks just like everyone in the Ottoman Empire considered theirselves as Ottomans.

Originally Posted by indigen

So you assume Huns had mixed ancestry (blood) after only 100 years but Kemal Attturk's family remained pure and unmixed after hundreds (you tell us when they first arrived to Macedonia!) of years of living as part of a ruling society which often practised polygamy and took wives from the "Raya" as converts?

Im just telling you facts, Kemals bloodline is Turkmen he is not mixed, the Huns who came to Europe do got mixed.
We are speaking about 1 man here not 10.000 people, for example Attila himself was a pure Turk while many of his Huns got mixed with the peoples in Europe, but still the first Huns who came to Europe were Turkic peoples from the east.

[Serres Macedonia]

Originally Posted by Ottoman

It isnt related, I said it so you can maybe discover your own bloodline, not every Macedonian is pure you know, like Onur said, we Turks dont care about bloodline, we all consider ourselves as Turks just like everyone in the Ottoman Empire considered theirselves as Ottomans.



Im just telling you facts, Kemals bloodline is Turkmen he is not mixed, the Huns who came to Europe do got mixed.
We are speaking about 1 man here not 10.000 people, for example Attila himself was a pure Turk while many of his Huns got mixed with the peoples in Europe, but still the first Huns who came to Europe were Turkic peoples from the east.

Ottoman I think you contrudict yourself in relation to Kemals purity. Lets have a quick look at Kemal and Atila.
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They look like they come from defferent tribes to me!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Serres Macedonia]

Originally Posted by Serres Macedonia

Ottoman I think you contrudict yourself in relation to Kemals purity. Lets have a quick look at Kemal and Atila.
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They look like they come from defferent tribes to me!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry missed Attila.

Atila the hun.bmp

[gore na nitche]

Originally Posted by Serres Macedonia

Sorry missed Attila.

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Hey serres that avatar of yours looks alot like attila.