The secrets of Macedonian civilization! - Page 3

Bratot · 09-28-2010, 04:04 AM

Something recent by Eddie:

George S. · 05-04-2011, 04:13 PM

Were the ancients forced to use the variant symbols because they offended their neighbours?Can one force another by dictatorial means to adopt something else?apparently you can if you are greece & you have a silly country called fyrom.The fact remains that we can't runaway from that we were force to change our symbol.We wanted the 16 ray sun but got the ventilator instead by capitulating/compromising.How can one country be offended by another country using a symbol that is part of a conquered territory.
They should have nver capitulated & stood their ground.Greece did not own/or monopolise the symbol of 16 ray sun.Thanks to the traitors compromising now they have a worldwide registered symbol of the 16 ray sun.The name is soon to follow.

Bratot · 05-04-2011, 05:26 PM

I agree George, but I don't think it's all the same if the Greeks register this symbol as their, again.

George S. · 05-04-2011, 06:46 PM

Well bratot they got the main one.If they want to push it further you never know they want anything macedonian to be theirs including the name.

indigen · 05-05-2011, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bratot

Something recent by Eddie:

http://www.worldpassports.org/asia/images/GEORGIA.jpg

Тема: Коловрт - Вртешка Постирано од: Boogie
Наслов: Коловрт - Вртешка
Датум на внесување: 21.Септември.2009 во 16:53

http://www.forum.idividi.com.mk/prin....asp?TID=20148

As for "Eddie Buntovnikot", read below how he abuses Macedonians who don't respect the "Ventilator" quisling "Flag":

http://www.macedoniantruth.org/forum...&postcount=236

"....Во врска со актуелното знаме на Република Македонија, квазипатриотите кои се прославија со ништо друго освен со леење на солзи за старото знаме, продолжуваат да тресат зелени. Симболот на актуелното знамето бил вентилатор? А зошто немаат никакви аргументи освен празни приказни. Се надеваат дека доколку тоа го повторат сто пати истото ќе стане вистина.

Поради таа причина мора да одржам втора бесплатна лекција. Еве формално правно од Закон за знамето на Република Македонија, член 2, изгласан во собранието на Република Македонија во 1995 година:..."

Compare the above to what Todor Petrov below says about the events that led to the "Ventilator" becoming a state flag of RM (FYROM):

Пишува Тодор ПЕТРОВ: "...Замислете лага која македонската јавност треба да ја проголта?!

Оти, СДСМ, Социјалистичката партија, Либералната партија и ПДП добија домашна задача, "светот" да им ги признае фалсификуваните избори, ама тие да ја одработат промената на името, знамето и Уставот на државата Македонија. Не Грците да се мачат. Туку се да биде под форма на демократија и светот да каже, па новото име сами си го прифатија, никој од надвор не им го наметна...."

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http://www.makedonskosonce.com/sonce184/tekst2t.htm
СДСМ-АТИНСКИ ПРЕГОВОРИ ЗА ИМЕТО НА ДРЖАВАТА МАКЕДОНИЈА
ОБЕДИНЕТИТЕ НАЦИИ НЕ МОЖАТ ДА ПРОМЕНАТ ИМЕ НА ДР ЖАВА!
Пишува Тодор ПЕТРОВ

Bratot · 05-06-2011, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by indigen

http://www.worldpassports.org/asia/images/GEORGIA.jpg

The Georgian passport:

Bratot - 05-02-09 01:54

http://forum.kajgana.com/member.php?8150-AngPu

Quote:

Тема: Коловрт - Вртешка Постирано од: Boogie
Наслов: Коловрт - Вртешка
Датум на внесување: 21.Септември.2009 во 16:53

http://www.forum.idividi.com.mk/prin....asp?TID=20148

Тајната на Славјанската цивилизација!
Bratot - 01-04-09 14:32

http://forum.kajgana.com/showthread....ја!

From the Protest against change of the name in 2008, being the third largest protest in Macedonian history.
http://kicevo.blog.mk/2008/02/28/sli...pela%E2%80%9C/

Vangelovski · 05-06-2011, 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bratot

From the Protest against change of the name in 2008, being the third largest protest in Macedonian history.
http://kicevo.blog.mk/2008/02/28/sli...pela%E2%80%9C/

Bratot, what is your point with this picture?

Bratot · 05-06-2011, 05:32 AM

Nothing more and nothing less that this symbol is well known and used in Macedonia, even on that occassion from 2008.

I guess you read this thread and you saw this symbol being engraved on our historical monuments, the tombstones in Aegean Macedonia, the tombstone of Goce Delchev, the ancient cups, ancient coins, the Samoil's and Kale fortress, many ancient decorations and old churches.

It's very unique symbol that ancient Macedonian worshiped, carried with them and it has been the only symbol that was so intensivelly well preserved during all periods, showing continuity of our old tradition and expressing Macedonian spirit.

Bratot · 05-06-2011, 05:41 AM

It can be related with this subject as well:

Helios = St. Elias

http://macedoniantruth.org/forum/sho...hlight=Ilinden

indigen · 05-06-2011, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bratot

Nothing more and nothing less that this symbol is well known and used in Macedonia, even on that occasion from 2008.

It is the national symbol of Georgia! The Christian Cross is also used as a national symbol by many nations and it is a cultural religious symbol of all Christians.

Brate, that banner/flag with the vrtuska looks to me to be a bit too large to be carried by one or two people or is it just a close photo shot that makes it appear like that?

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I guess you read this thread and you saw this symbol being engraved on our historical monuments, the tombstones in Aegean Macedonia, the tombstone of Goce Delchev, the ancient cups, ancient coins, the Samoil's and Kale fortress, many ancient decorations and old churches.

What is the source for all this info? Again we need some academic or credible source to back up the validity of the info and I did not see any in that thread, not taking into account the Russian video info here,? The link for the shield is some gallery founded by a couple Macedonians and a few associates and I really can not accept that as the source for evidence regarding the shield. Academics and Macedonian institutions need to be the source for any information pertaining to that shield.

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It's very unique symbol that ancient Macedonian worshipped, carried with them and it has been the only symbol that was so intensively well preserved during all periods, showing continuity of our old tradition and expressing Macedonian spirit.

I don't know about how widely it was used by Macedonians in ancient time because the coins collections available online do not provide much evidence for that and I used to have access to the book "Macedonia 4000 years.....bla bla (or Grk malakies)", which was well illustrated and covered much about art and culture of Macedonians in antiquity, and I did not see any mention of this supposedly pervasive "national" symbol, and as I have not seen it in any of the other history books I have also read.

But I suggest that the info in the following book might be one explanation of how a symbol (or symbols, cults, oracles, and etc.) may have come into greater use throughout the Macedonian lands (Macedonia and those lands under Macedonian rule) and those they closely interacted with during the Macedonian Era:

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Alexander to Actium: the historical evolution of the Hellenistic age - Google Books Result
Peter Green - 1993 - History - 970 pages
CHAPTER 33 FOREIGN AND MYSTERY CULTS, ORACLES, ASTROLOGY, MAGIC

09-28-2010, 04:04 AM	#21
Bratot Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,855	Something recent by Eddie: __________________ The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

05-04-2011, 05:26 PM	#23
Bratot Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,855	I agree George, but I don't think it's all the same if the Greeks register this symbol as their, again. __________________ The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

05-06-2011, 05:32 AM	#28
Bratot Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,855	Nothing more and nothing less that this symbol is well known and used in Macedonia, even on that occassion from 2008. I guess you read this thread and you saw this symbol being engraved on our historical monuments, the tombstones in Aegean Macedonia, the tombstone of Goce Delchev, the ancient cups, ancient coins, the Samoil's and Kale fortress, many ancient decorations and old churches. It's very unique symbol that ancient Macedonian worshiped, carried with them and it has been the only symbol that was so intensivelly well preserved during all periods, showing continuity of our old tradition and expressing Macedonian spirit. __________________ The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot Last edited by Bratot; 05-06-2011 at 05:35 AM.

05-06-2011, 05:41 AM	#29
Bratot Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,855	It can be related with this subject as well: Helios = St. Elias http://macedoniantruth.org/forum/sho...hlight=Ilinden __________________ The purpose of the media is not to make you to think that the name must be changed, but to get you into debate - what name would suit us! - Bratot

05-04-2011, 04:13 PM	#22
George S. Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 10,116	Were the ancients forced to use the variant symbols because they offended their neighbours?Can one force another by dictatorial means to adopt something else?apparently you can if you are greece & you have a silly country called fyrom.The fact remains that we can't runaway from that we were force to change our symbol.We wanted the 16 ray sun but got the ventilator instead by capitulating/compromising.How can one country be offended by another country using a symbol that is part of a conquered territory. They should have nver capitulated & stood their ground.Greece did not own/or monopolise the symbol of 16 ray sun.Thanks to the traitors compromising now they have a worldwide registered symbol of the 16 ray sun.The name is soon to follow.

05-04-2011, 06:46 PM	#24
George S. Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 10,116	Well bratot they got the main one.If they want to push it further you never know they want anything macedonian to be theirs including the name.

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